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In reply to the discussion: No longer defending Israel [View all]Behind the Aegis
(54,213 posts)194. Remember, lift with knees when moving goalposts.
Your OP stated:
No longer defending Israel
This war is no longer about Hamas but misplaced revenge against the people of Gaza.
I am now fully in the camp that Israel's primary goal at this point is genocide of the Palestinian people.
There is no other interpretation.
The attack on World Central Kitchen vehicles was a means to an end to halt/slow food aid to Gaza. I believe it is fully their intention to stave the Palestinian people to death.
I am fully in the camp demanding a complete halt to all aid and assistance to Israel of any kind. I also feel the the US should expel all but the Israeli ambassador to the US.
The Israeli commander of that attack should be sanctioned and deemed persona non grata.
Biden must up the pressure on Israel or risk real trouble going into the general election.
I will still vote for him but I'll be honest this is pretty awful and not a good look for Democrats.
I stand with Chef Andrés and I believe him
This war is no longer about Hamas but misplaced revenge against the people of Gaza.
I am now fully in the camp that Israel's primary goal at this point is genocide of the Palestinian people.
There is no other interpretation.
The attack on World Central Kitchen vehicles was a means to an end to halt/slow food aid to Gaza. I believe it is fully their intention to stave the Palestinian people to death.
I am fully in the camp demanding a complete halt to all aid and assistance to Israel of any kind. I also feel the the US should expel all but the Israeli ambassador to the US.
The Israeli commander of that attack should be sanctioned and deemed persona non grata.
Biden must up the pressure on Israel or risk real trouble going into the general election.
I will still vote for him but I'll be honest this is pretty awful and not a good look for Democrats.
I stand with Chef Andrés and I believe him
I asked:
Did you ever?
Reply to angrychair (Original post)
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 11:33 PM
Seriously. I am wondering, if you ever actually defended Israel without the standard "but". I have seen too many "I was for it before I was against it" types. I am not overly familiar with you, or your posts. So, did you ever actually support Israel?
Reply to angrychair (Original post)
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 11:33 PM
Seriously. I am wondering, if you ever actually defended Israel without the standard "but". I have seen too many "I was for it before I was against it" types. I am not overly familiar with you, or your posts. So, did you ever actually support Israel?
Note, I never addressed your other misinformed opinions; frankly, didn't give a shit.
You responded with:
Go look at my posts
Reply to Behind the Aegis (Reply #51)
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 11:53 PM
Because I have. I was completely on board with Israel defending itself but they obviously abandoned any plausible argument for "defending themselves" when they pushed over a million people into a small seaside town, bombed Gaza flat and then said they plan to bomb the only safe place the people of gaza, over 1 million people, have left. Where are they to go when all the buildings in Rafah are rubble?
Reply to Behind the Aegis (Reply #51)
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 11:53 PM
Because I have. I was completely on board with Israel defending itself but they obviously abandoned any plausible argument for "defending themselves" when they pushed over a million people into a small seaside town, bombed Gaza flat and then said they plan to bomb the only safe place the people of gaza, over 1 million people, have left. Where are they to go when all the buildings in Rafah are rubble?
Now, I added the emphasis to demonstrate you were responding to my question; "Did you ever (support Israel)?" And you claimed " I was completely on board with Israel defending itself[" and then instructed me to "go search your posts". Big mistake! HUGE! Because, I actually did, as shown above. You NEVER supported Israel. I didn't find a SINGLE post where you claimed Israel had the right to defend itself, even the DAY OF THE ATTACK.
Then you respond with strawman arguments and other logical misfires.
Those are not "attacks" But fair criticism. Also, you are cherry picking from all the different things I've said. I've never said that Israel didn't have a right to defend itself or to attack terrorists like Hamas.
I didn't say dick about "attacks" by you or even imply or claim those posts were anything other than proof that your claim of supporting Israel weren't true. Period.
Think what you want but I don't appreciate the implication that I am against Israel. I'm not. But
their actions against Palestinians, completely separate from Hamas, who again are terrorists, cannot be ignored.
their actions against Palestinians, completely separate from Hamas, who again are terrorists, cannot be ignored.
Why thank-you for allowing me to have my own thoughts. How kind. BUT, you still claim, even after a search of your posts, that you at one time supported Israel. Your posts do NOT show this. I never claimed you were "against Israel" the topic was if you ever SUPPORTED Israel and the answer is a definitive, unequivocable...
NO!
Show me one post where you "supported" Israel. ONE! There is always the possibility I missed it (them? (doubtful)). You NEVER supported Israel, and that is fine, OWN UP TO IT, don't try to gaslight people into thinking your stance "evolved". It didn't.
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The quibbling over the word "genocide" reminds me of arguing about what type of gun was . . . .
Stinky The Clown
Apr 3
#5
You want me to stop asking you where you get your stuff so you can keep referring to
Beastly Boy
Apr 4
#198
If they supported the attacks on Israel, but didn't directly participate, they are still guilty.
Lucky Luciano
Apr 4
#148
Oh, so the thousands of children and teens that Israel has maimed slaughtered and starved are guilty?
Sky Jewels
Apr 4
#154
I'm sure there are some trial courts here in the US that would disagree with you, nt
yagotme
Apr 11
#318
Thank you. By (incorrectly) using the loaded term "genocide", the interlocutor signals that ...
AnrothElf
Apr 4
#170
A one-sided war such as this sure looks a lot like genocide. No Palestinians were firing back at the IDF when they were
TeamProg
Apr 4
#197
THIS IS NOT A "WAR" - IT IS A MASSACRE! The casualty count is far, far too unbalanced to call this a "war". See:::
TeamProg
Apr 4
#207
No it doesn't. That's why the ICJ denied SA's demands for an immediate cessation
lapucelle
Apr 6
#308
exactly. how many children are going to be smashed between floors of collapsed buildings
TomDaisy
Apr 4
#204
Starvation as a tactic of war is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the ICC
markpkessinger
Apr 4
#173
Not only are you not citing sources, you are not even referring to the "they"
Beastly Boy
Apr 4
#201
Sorry, there is a hell of a difference between propagandists and journalists.
Beastly Boy
Apr 6
#296
You're right. Gaza could be an opportunity to rethink the whole "middle east vs western culture" conundrum.
jaxexpat
Apr 4
#127
He is trying to "root them out" - but I will agree with you that his methods do leave something
TBF
Apr 4
#136
I've thought that before and have come to think that that's probably a good thing. It seems to me that......
EarnestPutz
Apr 4
#62
He's for keeping Israel on the map which countries around it would rather they didn't exist
jimfields33
Apr 5
#259
How dare you? I don't support what Israel is doing at all. Even my Israeli family doesn't support what
Nanjeanne
Apr 4
#144
If Trump wins, it's gonna get worse. We also provide financial support on a 10 year basis. It's auto-renewed.
LeftInTX
Apr 4
#132
A Lancet survey found over 650,000 civilian deaths resulting from the unjust Iraq war
Ponietz
Apr 4
#184
There is no question that Biden has a perspective on things that is beyond our ability to see.
Earth-shine
Apr 3
#33
Purposefully bypassing literally 5 layers of safeguards to kill one suspected gunman is not destroying Hamas ...
uponit7771
Apr 6
#300
Why isn't anyone putting pressure on Egypt to let Gazan women and children in so they can be safe and fed?
SunSeeker
Apr 3
#37
No, temporarily giving women and children sanctuary in Egypt is not Jared's idea.
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#249
Israel did not create this mess. Hamas did. Saving women and children is the opposite of ethnic cleansing.
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#250
No, it is not collective punishment for Gaza men, anymore than it was for Ukrainian men.
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#282
Don't their lives matter more than the potential risk to Palestinian nationalism?
SunSeeker
Apr 4
#86
I repeat my previous reply. What you are saying to me is a repeated non sequitur.
RockRaven
Apr 4
#93
It is not a "non sequitor." I am asking you a question you obviously don't want to answer.
SunSeeker
Apr 6
#297
The history of the region does not justify letting women and children die in the crossfire of war. nt
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#247
Good, then we're in agreement that Egypt's refusal to temporarily let in Gazan women and children is unjustified. nt
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#252
So you're fine with Egypt building a wall and keeping Gazan women and children out? nt
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#254
Your previous replies are not responsive to this question. This question calls for a yes or a no answer. nt
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#256
It's not a random, nor an unrelated question. You just don't want to answer it.
SunSeeker
Apr 5
#258
Israelis have killed almost 200 humanitarian aid workers have now been killed and at least 95 journalists and media
summer_in_TX
Apr 3
#38
We only needed to look at the recent history of our own blood lust after 9-11.
onecaliberal
Apr 3
#42
Point me to one. (I will look later, so just one) EDIT NEVERMIND, I looked...
Behind the Aegis
Apr 4
#88
I defended Israel on their Gaza invasion and attacks, up until I learned how they are restricting food so severely that
LymphocyteLover
Apr 4
#162
I cannot stop crying. To think that a people who have been persecuted would treat others so!
emmacom
Apr 4
#57
You mean like the persecuted Palestinians who killed and raped teenage concert goers?
SunSeeker
Apr 4
#68
I support the Israel that is currently taking to the streets trying to hold Netenyahu responsible for actions
tirebiter
Apr 4
#85
The indefensible cannot be defended. Israel has lost the moral high ground. It's gone
elocs
Apr 4
#97
I agree with you. Israel wants Gaza and netenyahu is cruel to do what hitler did to jews as
akbacchus_BC
Apr 4
#98
Israel was on the verge of Arab world countries recognizing Israel. Thanks to Bibi, that is not going to happen
RAB910
Apr 4
#146
K&R It saddens me to read denials of reality here, the deliberate and desperate attempt to deflect from the point
msfiddlestix
Apr 4
#156
Agree completely. I have good friends who are making the ME War their political hill to die on.
msfiddlestix
Apr 4
#195
These 1-issue voters were just waiting for a fucking reason to hate Biden and tee-off on Jews in the process. Sick shit.
SoFlaBro
Apr 4
#241
This is not a war. This is vengeance. This is a slaughter by starvation and disease.
Big Blue Marble
Apr 4
#178
Yes it is ... The Chef has more credibility than Bibi or Biden on this issue. Reality has to set in at some point
uponit7771
Apr 6
#301
Israel has done a masterful job of of squandering both public opinion and the undisputed high ground they held.
BobTheSubgenius
Apr 4
#172
A person can believe The Chef and want hostages to be freed, no one should support starving millions of people for
uponit7771
Apr 6
#303
I realized it way early on when Netanyahu said that all Gaza's people were Hamas. He earlier had
LiberalArkie
Apr 4
#177
There will be no development on Gaza Beaches. Not without the world watching!!
MenloParque
Apr 4
#182
We ALL KNEW this was coming. Israel was NOT going to stop at just bombing a 'few hospitals', right? nt
TeamProg
Apr 4
#196