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Mossfern

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31. I don't agree

Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:53 PM

Apr 2024

It's not one or the other. Believing in a Creator and caring for the planet are not mutually exclusive.

The Torah sees humans as being responsible for the world in which they live. They are participants in God's creation, and while God did say humankind is given dominion over the world, that role is one of caretaker, not conqueror. It is not given to us to stand aside and watch the Earth be destroyed.

https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/opinion/columnists/2017/04/16/earth-day-stewardship-judaism/100466440/

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It's time to become an atheist. [View all] Girard442 Apr 2024 OP

Uh, that's just silly. MineralMan Apr 2024 #1

I don't think it is at all that simple. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2024 #6

If you believe that a God exists (I don't) and that God interferes in human events, then you don't have a choice... brooklynite Apr 2024 #17

Depends on the belief system. Some hold that God gives man free will. shrike3 Apr 2024 #18

"Free Will" seems to mean that you CAN disobey God, not that you won't suffer for doing so. brooklynite Apr 2024 #20

It insinuates that one has a choice. Different from predestination. Different belief system. shrike3 Apr 2024 #23

Nobody said you wouldn't suffer. Just that you have free will. shrike3 Apr 2024 #53

There is much scientific and philosophic debate... pandr32 Apr 2024 #46

That's funny, because more than one atheist has told me that unlike believers they have free will. shrike3 Apr 2024 #55

So there is no free will? Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #33

That is a different question, actually. MineralMan Apr 2024 #36

Yet you seem to imply that 'belief' is deterministic. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #44

Nope. When I was a child, I believed that there was a god MineralMan Apr 2024 #47

Fair enough but Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #51

Not really. MineralMan Apr 2024 #52

Yet you claim to have reasoned yourself Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #61

Not afraid BidenRocks Apr 2024 #48

Why would you be afraid of something MineralMan Apr 2024 #50

Ron Reagan Junior makes TV ads for a group that wants separation of church & state. His tag line is... Hekate Apr 2024 #58

I love how "God" is said to give free will to humans ... Sky Jewels Apr 2024 #39

Raised catholic Faux pas Apr 2024 #2

Been lapsed for decades ArkansasDemocrat1 Apr 2024 #26

That's Great! Faux pas Apr 2024 #38

My father was "I don't have time to think about it" and mother went to Episcopal church for the social experience erronis Apr 2024 #49

best decision i ever made in my life gay texan Apr 2024 #3

60 years an atheist NoRethugFriends Apr 2024 #4

I became an agnostic when I realized the Bible was a bunch of myths.. Butterflylady Apr 2024 #5

Indeed. DavidDvorkin Apr 2024 #7

No time like the present PJMcK Apr 2024 #8

No thanks. Elessar Zappa Apr 2024 #9

Not believing in a god is what you just described. That's atheist. lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #15

Sounds more like agnostic to me. shrike3 Apr 2024 #19

Depends on your definitions, But if you don't believe in sky gods, you don't. lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #22

I was under the impression that agnostics claim not to know. shrike3 Apr 2024 #24

Knowing and believing. Are they the same? lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #29

I am using language that agnostics themselves have used in discussing the topic. shrike3 Apr 2024 #30

The default position is that something magical doesn't exist. Sky Jewels Apr 2024 #42

OH shit, you know atheists are not allowed to proselytize HAB911 Apr 2024 #10

It's so annoying! CrispyQ Apr 2024 #27

LOL! I love it HAB911 Apr 2024 #28

Are you trying to convert me? LOL LeftInTX Apr 2024 #11

I've done all that. lees1975 Apr 2024 #12

Yup republianmushroom Apr 2024 #13

Oh I don't know ismnotwasm Apr 2024 #14

We're gonna have to choose: it's either us and the planet, or this invisible sky god stuff. lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #16

Elon Musk isn't doing his thing because Jesus Christ is his lord and savior. shrike3 Apr 2024 #21

I don't agree Mossfern Apr 2024 #31

How many civilizations have fallen? BidenRocks Apr 2024 #57

I choose both LW1977 Apr 2024 #60

As an atheist myself, I can honestly say that some of the best people I have known are religious, elocs Apr 2024 #25

And dismiss nation-states, legal systems, and economies also Torchlight Apr 2024 #32

No offense, but isn't GD supposed to be for political discussions and the like? shrike3 Apr 2024 #34

Israel and Palestine is also supposed to be exclusively in its own group. usonian Apr 2024 #40

Preach! Iggo Apr 2024 #35

On a much related note codfisherman Apr 2024 #37

I read and listen to Science Auggie Apr 2024 #41

Men made up the Big Three monotheisms to promote and maintain male supremacy. Sky Jewels Apr 2024 #43

Peace. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #45

Um no! LW1977 Apr 2024 #54

Interesting how many of the replies seem to imply christianity and the bible as representing religion. erronis Apr 2024 #56

Science demands proof. The law requires it. dchill Apr 2024 #59

I don't like it when they proselytize me and feel no.. NNadir Apr 2024 #62

Locking sarisataka Apr 2024 #63