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SARose

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92. This this this

Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:30 AM

Apr 2024

Ahhh yes original sin. Good ole Eve and her feminine wiles. But wait, what about Lilith - the first Eve? Why was she kicked out of Eden? Her sin was believing herself equal to Adam. She went on to have sex with monsters because she refused to sit down and shut up. Seriously? Sex with monsters - Trump? 😆

It’s funny Lilith has disappeared from so many “modern” Bibles. Hmmmm

Personally, I hate seeing this as a man vs woman issue. When this topic becomes heated we see some men in one corner and some women in the other both shouting.

I believe the issue of abortion is one more instance of the powers that be dividing our society for their own aims. Jest my two cents.

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Men would never tolerate it. [View all] Irish_Dem Apr 2024 OP

What would men MOMFUDSKI Apr 2024 #1

Insurrection. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #3

Would masturbation be allowed in jail? JoseBalow Apr 2024 #12

I don't know that is it now. soldierant Apr 2024 #33

The way I understand it, you don't want to be on laundry duty on sock day. Orrex Apr 2024 #36

Not surprising - but that doesn't mean it's allowed, that means soldierant Apr 2024 #38

If masturbation is made illegal, it will only be for females. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #62

Insurrection would be suicide by cop - or the U.S. military. Martin68 Apr 2024 #108

No. White males become heroes and get a slap on the wrist. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #109

Only if there is a GOP president. Martin68 Apr 2024 #110

No. Courts giving slap on the wrists now. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #111

Are...are you saying women "tolerate" these things? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #2

The subject of my post is the psychosocial aspects of male behavior. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #4

But men *do* tolerate those things. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #7

Would straight white males tolerate sexual control and punishment? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #21

You're eventually have to discuss women subjugation of women. MerryBlooms Apr 2024 #44

Many women vote against their own interests intheflow Apr 2024 #46

Excellent point. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #61

Some members of a subjugated class will align with the powerful oppressors. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #60

Some women do - and some, like men, revel in the fact they can force their views on other women. Probatim Apr 2024 #6

Some members of a subjugated group willingly assist the power structure. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #63

Some people will just do anything for power. hadEnuf Apr 2024 #84

Too many men bluescribbler Apr 2024 #5

This! Fuck the patriarchy. onecaliberal Apr 2024 #27

This is what I think bdamomma Apr 2024 #45

And they pretend their no -existent sky wizard is a male. Sky Jewels Apr 2024 #49

Males are taught they have a God given right to their sexuality and body. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #64

The first step on the way.... SergeStorms Apr 2024 #8

Excellent point. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #65

I would never have to tolerate it Progressive dog Apr 2024 #9

But men are half the reproduction equation. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #16

But men aren't ever pregnant Progressive dog Apr 2024 #119

Yes I agree. Men should not control women for any reason. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #121

Also the issue is not really about pregnancy or abortion. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #23

Nailed it! This right here FakeNoose Apr 2024 #35

Many men are pro-abortion and many women are not. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #10

"Pro-abortion"? marybourg Apr 2024 #55

A vital point. Pro-abortion RIGHTS (or, simply, pro-choice) DFW Apr 2024 #56

OK. Good greif. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #81

Well, excuuuuse. me. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #80

You've missed the point. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #104

So have you. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #106

Men still have an edge in money and parlay that to the (largely) male political class and bucolic_frolic Apr 2024 #11

Thank you. raccoon Apr 2024 #20

Yes white straight males targeting an historically subjugated class. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #22

I agree completely. onecaliberal Apr 2024 #29

Woman's rights and Obama and religious backlash. lindysalsagal Apr 2024 #13

This man doesn't want those restrictions for women either IronLionZion Apr 2024 #14

Are you an outlier or the norm? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #72

There should be plenty of male allies on the left IronLionZion Apr 2024 #78

Given this thread's points, and the current balances of power, Tetrachloride Apr 2024 #15

Excellent question Tetra. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #17

Great topic SARose Apr 2024 #25

Good points. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #28

Wondering about how women could pull off a tax revolt Attilatheblond Apr 2024 #19

Yes several comments about a strike of some sort. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #30

But men seem to tolerate Hope22 Apr 2024 #18

Women need male allies. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #31

I beg the men in my life to write the emails, make the calls! Hope22 Apr 2024 #34

I hear you. I just get a nod or a "yeah" when I speak to men in my family Deuxcents Apr 2024 #40

My heart goes out to you. Hope22 Apr 2024 #54

Males are deeply habituated to female subjugation. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #66

Why do smart, good men do nothing? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #59

Yes women have suffered and sacrificed for our rights! Hope22 Apr 2024 #87

Just the right to vote was a very brutal battle. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #98

If roles were reversed and women had all the power Tree Lady Apr 2024 #24

I have actually seen women forced into psych care for reasons you describe. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #67

What if women held all the power on the planet? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #70

American women need to wise up dlk Apr 2024 #26

"wise up"? Really? Not Heidi Apr 2024 #53

How does a subjugated class obtain equal rights? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #68

Yes, too many women are passive about their rights dlk Apr 2024 #93

A Hobby Lobby plot twist SARose Apr 2024 #32

The religious right cannot convince people to willingly accept their rules. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #69

I think women will show they won't tolerate it either this November. Elessar Zappa Apr 2024 #37

Only women?? Sogo Apr 2024 #42

I for one, is one of those guys... William Gustafson Apr 2024 #47

I for one support a women's choice, and I am a male... William Gustafson Apr 2024 #48

No, many men too. Elessar Zappa Apr 2024 #50

History tells us that the oppressor class does not rescue the subjugated class. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #71

Your lips to Bob's ears. n/t Not Heidi Apr 2024 #51

Republicans offer this... keithbvadu2 Apr 2024 #39

The GOP believes attacking subjugated groups will get them elected to office. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #73

era et tu Apr 2024 #41

Highly unlikely the male power structure will pass the ERA. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #74

and that is exactly et tu Apr 2024 #86

Excellent points. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #97

There is no pregnancy without a sperm donor. Why are the men not responsible for anything here? OMGWTF Apr 2024 #43

The point of my OP is that men will never tolerate any sexuality restrictions. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #75

I'm not sure H2O Man Apr 2024 #52

They aren't EVEN thinking about that scenario. Sorry to disappoint you, but those thoughts do not register TeamProg Apr 2024 #57

And men would never do it, wouldn't even occur to them. betsuni Apr 2024 #58

Wonen, not females obamanut2012 Apr 2024 #76

You are 100% incorrect. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #77

I don't think we read the same post. It seemed pretty clear to me. Vinca Apr 2024 #79

Then you need to educate yourself about the manosphere and the use of female as a noun obamanut2012 Apr 2024 #112

I'm more concerned with actions than words. Vinca Apr 2024 #124

Sure seems like people want to argue. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #82

....about what? N/t Hope22 Apr 2024 #88

Exactly. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #89

Let me clarify... Hope22 Apr 2024 #90

Some of the DU crowd seem to want to just disagree. Not a comment about choice. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #91

I am disagreeing with the OP , which I am allowed to do obamanut2012 Apr 2024 #113

I wasn't referencing you. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #115

IMO its Christian perversion apnu Apr 2024 #83

This this this SARose Apr 2024 #92

Religions say women are to blame because men cannot control their sexual urges? Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #102

You aren't wrong. apnu Apr 2024 #103

Oh yes, the Taliban has made it clear how they see women. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #105

there was a case here in il a while back. a kid needed a transplant. mopinko Apr 2024 #85

A most SUPERB and THOUGHT PROVOKING post. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2024 #94

Thanks Proud. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #101

This is proof that regarding the mechanics of starting human pregnancy LastDemocratInSC Apr 2024 #95

Yes the recipient is the one who is sent to die or go to jail. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #100

OLD men would never tolerate it HAB911 Apr 2024 #96

The old men are the ones sending the kids into battle. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #99

And they sell the honor every chance they get. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #107

no viagra for thee either. AllaN01Bear Apr 2024 #114

This is not a male vs. female issue. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #116

The American power structure is mostly male. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #117

All that and more. It is not a male vs. female issue. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #118

Facts are facts. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #120

But this... twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #122

Women's rights are totally on the whim of the male power structure. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #125

Men need to rally for the cause. It is their cause too. I am insulted to be included with twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #126

It is not male vs female. Face the facts even if painful. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #123