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BeyondGeography

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25. "We failed in Vietnam because our military stupidly thought they could win a war in a foreign country."
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 07:21 AM
Apr 2024

And this is why Ukraine will endure in the end, provided that it has adequate support.

Yes, it could and will take many years, but, as Foreign Minister Kuleba has said, “we will fight them with shovels if we have to.” Russia is right next door so the situation is obviously different than Vietnam, but the dynamic is similar: one side is fighting for its life as a country and the other is fighting a war of choice. Putin is not just interested in a tranche of land here and Ukrainians will never accept a return to Russian rule. This war will continue for years even without our involvment. A full occupation of Ukraine is unattainable for Russia and if a Putin puppet was installed in Kyiv it would only lead to civil war. An achievable victory is a sovereign, EU-facing, sustainable Ukraine shored up with western security guarantees and reinvestment fueled by Russian reparations; what mostly stands in the way is MAGA Republicans, not math.

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The math didn't add up in 1776 either cos dem Apr 2024 #1
Every entity on earth with a size disadvantage should just give in to their math problem BeyondGeography Apr 2024 #2
By JDVs logic we just give Eastern Europe to Russia? What about Alaska? Captain Zero Apr 2024 #4
If only JD was around for Vietnam BeyondGeography Apr 2024 #7
Well, Vietnam was indeed a problem of numbers NanaCat Apr 2024 #24
"We failed in Vietnam because our military stupidly thought they could win a war in a foreign country." BeyondGeography Apr 2024 #25
The only size advantage is based on Vance's pea-sized brain rattling around in his skull. FSogol Apr 2024 #3
No actually that is a problem. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #9
Reading is Fundamental! FSogol Apr 2024 #11
"The only size advantage is based on Vance's pea-sized brain rattling around in his skull" Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #14
So is the point of this thread to ridicule Vance (which 11 posters) did including me who called him FSogol Apr 2024 #19
Given the troop strength disparity Ukraine is dependent Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #23
"They're going to lose, so let's force their surrender" maxsolomon Apr 2024 #5
"David. Put the rock down. You don't stand a chance." lame54 Apr 2024 #17
Shut up, J.D. Go kiss Trump's ass some more. Diamond_Dog Apr 2024 #6
What Vance and others fail to realize is that Eurupe and subsequently the US may get directly involved in Ukraine Renew Deal Apr 2024 #8
Tim Ryan lost to this dope. oasis Apr 2024 #10
I know! WTAF!!! Initech Apr 2024 #16
WTAF is wrong with Ohio? Freethinker65 Apr 2024 #28
JD Vance doesn't add up. Initech Apr 2024 #12
Consider the source: Vance failed to recognize Biden got more votes than TFG Raven123 Apr 2024 #13
Consider the source: the NYT is under no obligation to publish fascist propaganda. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #15
Or if they identify it, refute it. Raven123 Apr 2024 #18
It's an Op-Ed. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #20
Giving a platform to fascists is stupid. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #26
As Lawyers, Guns & Money says, this is Vance's application to be Trump's VP pick muriel_volestrangler Apr 2024 #21
What a fancy-schmancy way of saying might makes right. Aristus Apr 2024 #22
JFC. This ignorant on foreign policy asshole in Ohio better be a one termer Freethinker65 Apr 2024 #27
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