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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts) Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:16 AM Nov 2012

It's time for the US to STOP blocking Palestinian statehood at the UN [View all]

It's the only chance Palestinians have for getting self-determination.

Negotiating with Bibi means being forced to give everything away and end up with a powerless, helpless statelet-on-sufferance...and Bibi's certain to go on being pm for years to come, so there's no hope whatsoever of an Israeli government that actually WANTS peace and justice.

It's the only way for the right thing to happen.

The U.S. HAS to get out of the way of the path of justice and hope.

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It's time for the US to STOP blocking Palestinian statehood at the UN [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2012 OP

I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Nov 2012 #2

It Might Be Better, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2012 #3

You're right...I've now deleted that post. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #4

Much Appreciated, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2012 #6

the 'beauty' opart of this is that there is precious little the US can do to stop it azurnoir Nov 2012 #12

DURec x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #5

Amen Stewland Nov 2012 #7

No Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #8

PLO headed by Fatah recognized Israel nearly 2 decades ago on 9/9/93 azurnoir Nov 2012 #10

Fatah recognized Israel in 1994. That put the recognition issue to rest. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #11

Hamas has not and still calls for the destruction of Israel ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #15

The way to keep Morsi from breaking ties is to stop screwing over the Pals. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #16

Morsi showed his true colors recently ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #20

If Israel's leaders really want to be pragmatic, they need to align themselves now Ken Burch Nov 2012 #21

"he too continues to treat the people of Gaza like trash." Scootaloo Nov 2012 #26

When Egypt ruled Gaza the residents were second class citizens at best ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #46

Morsi is not blowing up Palestinians. Israel is. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #47

Are you saying there is no responsibility attributable to the outside agitators? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #50

I'm saying Israel is the one killing Palestinians Scootaloo Nov 2012 #52

In what amounts to a form of national style self defense ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #55

I thought Hamas was in control now? sellitman Nov 2012 #32

That didn't undo the PA recognition...it still stands. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #34

Go look at the Hamas Charter sellitman Nov 2012 #35

If the UN created a Palestinian state, Hamas wouldn't matter. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #37

You cannot disconnect Hamas from the equation by UN decree sellitman Nov 2012 #42

The charter is just words. It should go...but they'd never be able to carry it out anyway. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #44

I agree i think it would help force both sides to a true peace Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #9

Those people need rescued libodem Nov 2012 #13

I would remind everyone that under US law, such a status change would cause ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #14

Why should the Palestinians HAVE to negotiate with the Israeli government Ken Burch Nov 2012 #17

Because the 1967 borders are as dead as Arafat ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19

Yep. You are correct. davidn3600 Nov 2012 #22

It's possible to have peace and the 1967 borders. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #25

You didn't answer the question. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #27

As long as Likud remains dominant inside Israel, there will be no peace process at all. Selatius Nov 2012 #18

All I know is I want all the killing to stop. Yesterday. ReRe Nov 2012 #23

Agreed. And nothing is more important than stopping the killing Ken Burch Nov 2012 #24

Then do you think the Palestinians will recognize Israel's statehood? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #28

It's certainly a hell of a lot more likely that they would than by making them Ken Burch Nov 2012 #29

1994 Scootaloo Nov 2012 #48

Perhaps recognizing Israel's right to exist might jump start the cause? sellitman Nov 2012 #30

Fatah did that in 1994. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #31

We both know Fatah isn't running Gaza sellitman Nov 2012 #33

It's not realistic to expect Hamas to recognize Israel BEFORE Ken Burch Nov 2012 #36

The Israeli government already gave back Gaza as a start. sellitman Nov 2012 #39

The charter is a side issue. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #40

Carry it out? sellitman Nov 2012 #43

They aren't "doing it." Ken Burch Nov 2012 #45

And it's time to stop calling that murderous, racist thug, by a nickname: "Bibi". chimpymustgo Nov 2012 #38

OK...good point. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #41

And thank you for posting this. K&R. chimpymustgo Nov 2012 #49

K&R ! patrice Nov 2012 #51

How exactly would this increase the likelihood of peace and security? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #53

At least for the moment, it would keep both Hamas AND Likud from stopping the end of the war. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #54