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In reply to the discussion: Meme on AOC: Biden doesn't stand for all the values I do. But I would rather fight for those things in a landscape [View all]applegrove
(132,078 posts)140. I think it is great and speaks to something important:
don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Of course left wingers have different values. When Bernie was in second place in the nomination race of 2020 I supported him because he was for implementing Medicare for all asap. Living in Canada and having access to such Healthcare, I dropped Biden and followed Bernie. An american had written about the troubles they had, dangerous healthcare problems, and they could not get help. I went with my gut and threw away my support for Biden for a few weeks. Then I realized I was being Susan Saradon and was immune to the problems a second Trump term would bring being Canadian (Saradon is wealthy). So I went back to Biden. And I don't regret that one bit. But protecting government healthcare for all is the number one issue for Canadians. See. Different values. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. That goes for slogans and meme too, not just for lefties thinking about how to vote. It is a good, effective quote even if it is just capturing her words in a more concise way than what she said. You can tell by all the AI Sino-Russian trolls it is effective. I use their pressence and attempt to derail the idea as a green light to me :you must find more quotes like this" and "bingo!". AOC is an explorer who comes up with new and salient ideas all the time. Then people who are not like her take her ideas and evolve and use them to communicate ideas. I hope this relationship continues as it is. It is completely how it is supposed to be.
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Meme on AOC: Biden doesn't stand for all the values I do. But I would rather fight for those things in a landscape [View all]
applegrove
Apr 2024
OP
See post 90. Until I see actual real documentaion of that quote, I remain seriously unconvinced it is real.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#99
yes, if you look at multiple other posts I made, the 'quote' does NOT happen in any party of that entire 31 minutes
Celerity
Apr 2024
#174
Moderates aren't the ones saying they're not going to vote for biden bc they want more progressive policies
FlyingPiggy
Apr 2024
#7
I was hoping for more. But it's better than Nina Turner's "half a bowl of shit" comment.
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#16
Excellent. I feel like she's really grown into her role, and will be able to achieve great things.
Hekate
Apr 2024
#4
If Teh Oligarchs want a right-wing government, why did they support Biden? Doesn't make sense.
betsuni
Apr 2024
#155
Evidently three "oligarchs" forced voters to choose Biden in the primary and if only
betsuni
Apr 2024
#168
"Without support from some oligarchs no candidate on a national scale can be successful"
betsuni
Apr 2024
#179
Yep, I also think Progressive values are the core of Democratic party values....
Think. Again.
Apr 2024
#25
Yes they are. Goals are same, not about values/morals but reality of legislature.
betsuni
Apr 2024
#59
One thing you find about Democracy is that there is never a candidate that stands for everything you do.
patphil
Apr 2024
#9
AOC has not insulted Biden. She has not damned him with faint praise, either. What's happened, I think...
Hekate
Apr 2024
#46
That 'quote' has zero documenation that it is real. See my multiple posts on this thread on the subject.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#132
The quote is completely undocumented, and quite possibly invented by a person making a meme with
Celerity
Apr 2024
#163
Funny thing that. ALL of the major big ticket items in Biden's agenda that were blocked were blocked by
Celerity
Apr 2024
#80
ok, but that old purity test as an anti-progressive weapon and framing definitely has floated around here since I joined
Celerity
Apr 2024
#91
Fascinating to see the people who say the don't like aoc because she's a purist
unblock
Apr 2024
#52
The weaponization of the word "progressive" against the Democratic Party has done a lot
betsuni
Apr 2024
#182
I agree with her 100%. I don't always agree with Biden but nothing will keep me from
Autumn
Apr 2024
#49
She didn't go into that. Maybe she figures the fact that she supports him is enough.
Autumn
Apr 2024
#61
You're the one who indicated you agreed with her. What exactly are you agreeing to?
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#64
I didn't indicate it. I fucking said it. I know what values I have that Joe doesn't share
Autumn
Apr 2024
#66
None of your business what my values are, just I have no need to know about yours. nt
Autumn
Apr 2024
#76
It all comes back to: If you can't make it about policy because there's only a difference in strategy
betsuni
Apr 2024
#180
Can you li nk to the video or transcript you agree with? The Op video doesn't exist for me when tried to watch.
MerryBlooms
Apr 2024
#166
It's amazing. AOC comes out in supoprt of Biden, and we have DUers criticizing her for it.
Gore1FL
Apr 2024
#55
Pretending that it wasn't ham-handed won't make it eloquent and thoughtful.
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#89
The need to find fault with what she said is typical of the people who like to find fault with her
Gore1FL
Apr 2024
#106
No nits are being picked. It's perfectly reasonable to expect elected officials to *
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#114
And people defended Nina Turner's "half bowl of shit" statement about Biden *
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#123
I like AOC just fine. She knows her stuff and has grown. As to Biden, he has been wildly better than
PatrickforB
Apr 2024
#68
Huh? Are you saying that she's "code talking" to let people know she's anti-Israel?
Oopsie Daisy
Apr 2024
#92
Let's hope that all Progressive Democrats are as smart as AOC & get out and vote for Biden.
elocs
Apr 2024
#83
There is NO documentation info in that meme whatsoever. No time, date, or place she said it. Anyone could make it up.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#105
Unless the OP can provide documentation that proves that is not a fake quote, this OP should be taken down.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#113
yes, I already discussed that tweet in my last reply, and again, there is NO documentation in that tweet whatsoever
Celerity
Apr 2024
#116
Until proven otherwise it is a suspect and likely false quote. If she said policies, then zero controversies, BUT
Celerity
Apr 2024
#129
As I mentioned, it is a good paraphrase of her stance if not a direct quote....
Think. Again.
Apr 2024
#138
It is not presented as a paraphrase, and also it uses loaded language (values) that incites division as it paints
Celerity
Apr 2024
#139
it doesn't help, a random word used in entirely different setting is not proof in the slightest that the quote is real
Celerity
Apr 2024
#175
I am an idea person as well. But I also adhere to factual groundings and documentation for claims.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#177
Do not forget that intim the OP edited it, is was presented for hours as an exact quote.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#195
Yes, I watched the whole thing (as I have stated already) and the quote is NOT in it at all, she did not say those words
Celerity
Apr 2024
#130
The quote is very much unproven, and uses loaded language (the 'values' part) This thread is very divisive based off
Celerity
Apr 2024
#137
I think it is pretty problematic to take an entirely undocumented meme and then present is as a quote, a quote
Celerity
Apr 2024
#141
Does it go against DU terms of service? For sure we need to discuss and flush out how
applegrove
Apr 2024
#145
that is not germane at all to my (fully documented at this point) issues with the OP
Celerity
Apr 2024
#146
you have yet to show the slightest proof the quote is real, plus you are glossing over the loaded language
Celerity
Apr 2024
#150
No it is not, and the onus to prove the quote (which has divisive wording) is real is on you. You made the OP, not me.
Celerity
Apr 2024
#154