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155. If Teh Oligarchs want a right-wing government, why did they support Biden? Doesn't make sense.

Sat Apr 20, 2024, 11:24 PM

Apr 2024

If they control everything, all-powerful and know everything, they didn't know that Democrats are the progressive party? They, like, totally forgot that Democrats regulate industries and are the party of the working/middle class? Democratic voters want the party to shift far to the right? That doesn't make sense either. They'd vote for Republicans, third party or not vote if that were the case. I don't get it!

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Meme on AOC: Biden doesn't stand for all the values I do. But I would rather fight for those things in a landscape [View all] applegrove Apr 2024 OP

Perfect. She's an amazing communicator. Scrivener7 Apr 2024 #1

See post 90. Until I see actual real documentaion of that quote, I remain seriously unconvinced it is real. Celerity Apr 2024 #99

See my reply 172 below. summer_in_TX Apr 2024 #173

yes, if you look at multiple other posts I made, the 'quote' does NOT happen in any party of that entire 31 minutes Celerity Apr 2024 #174

You have a point. summer_in_TX Apr 2024 #192

It was posted originally as an exact quote, and the whole Celerity Apr 2024 #194

I am privledged sabbat hunter Apr 2024 #119

We are fortunate to have her. cilla4progress Apr 2024 #157

Well said. More progressives need to see this. FlyingPiggy Apr 2024 #2

Yes! More moderates need to see it too! Think. Again. Apr 2024 #3

Moderates aren't the ones saying they're not going to vote for biden bc they want more progressive policies FlyingPiggy Apr 2024 #7

They are not Democrats! Lunabell Apr 2024 #10

Right.. I'm a Pres Biden Progressive. he gets Things DONE Cha Apr 2024 #14

I was hoping for more. But it's better than Nina Turner's "half a bowl of shit" comment. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #16

Exponentially Better.. the Polar Cha Apr 2024 #20

I agree PatSeg Apr 2024 #29

You are correct. That's exactly what it sounds like. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #38

Ha, ha, ha! PatSeg Apr 2024 #43

AOC actually did not say "Biden's values are not my values." summer_in_TX Apr 2024 #196

We who already stand with Biden are not the audience of that remark. ramen Apr 2024 #45

Perhaps PatSeg Apr 2024 #48

Excellent. I feel like she's really grown into her role, and will be able to achieve great things. Hekate Apr 2024 #4

When President Biden was still vice president markodochartaigh Apr 2024 #5

Extremely well said! Thank You! Think. Again. Apr 2024 #23

Who? sheshe2 Apr 2024 #148

If Teh Oligarchs want a right-wing government, why did they support Biden? Doesn't make sense. betsuni Apr 2024 #155

IKR?! sheshe2 Apr 2024 #162

Evidently three "oligarchs" forced voters to choose Biden in the primary and if only betsuni Apr 2024 #168

Okay. sheshe2 Apr 2024 #171

"The Oiligarchs" markodochartaigh Apr 2024 #167

"Without support from some oligarchs no candidate on a national scale can be successful" betsuni Apr 2024 #179

What oligarchs supported Biden in 2019? betsuni Apr 2024 #151

Bloomberg, Dimon, and Blankfein markodochartaigh Apr 2024 #160

He's probably more in line with her values than she thinks. LisaM Apr 2024 #6

Yep, I also think Progressive values are the core of Democratic party values.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #25

Exactly PatSeg Apr 2024 #33

What she's saying is, intheflow Apr 2024 #193

My comment was made before further comments PatSeg Apr 2024 #197

Yes they are. Goals are same, not about values/morals but reality of legislature. betsuni Apr 2024 #59

EXCELLENT AOC Quote! calimary Apr 2024 #8

One thing you find about Democracy is that there is never a candidate that stands for everything you do. patphil Apr 2024 #9

AOC has insulted Biden. deepblue Apr 2024 #11

Yes. Thank you. You and I think alike. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #17

I appreciate her attempt to find a bridge at this important time.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #27

Yes, a very poor choice of words PatSeg Apr 2024 #35

AOC has not insulted Biden. She has not damned him with faint praise, either. What's happened, I think... Hekate Apr 2024 #46

The pudding is not in compromising with other Democrats Ninga Apr 2024 #109

That, too. Hekate Apr 2024 #131

That 'quote' has zero documenation that it is real. See my multiple posts on this thread on the subject. Celerity Apr 2024 #132

Just out of curiosity... sheshe2 Apr 2024 #12

Exactly. What TF was that supposed to mean? Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #18

That wasn't really part of the question she was answering... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #28

I don't think she succeeded in avoiding being divisive PatSeg Apr 2024 #36

I disagree. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #39

That happens PatSeg Apr 2024 #44

Yep. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #51

Okay then. sheshe2 Apr 2024 #170

The quote is completely undocumented, and quite possibly invented by a person making a meme with Celerity Apr 2024 #163

She has a different perspective than Joe. He could maybe say the same. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #13

I think Joe would say it more diplomatically PatSeg Apr 2024 #37

Perhaps he would say something like * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #47

Oh wow, yes! PatSeg Apr 2024 #50

Well, that's better than nothing. I'll take it, I guess. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #15

Oh I think she is trying to appeal to far lefties and applegrove Apr 2024 #19

That's the word I was looking for PatSeg Apr 2024 #40

+1 betsuni Apr 2024 #70

That's the difference COL Mustard Apr 2024 #21

The withdrawal from Afghanistan was more Trump's fault SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #30

I agree Biden got handed a soup sandwich COL Mustard Apr 2024 #142

That still didn't make it Biden's fault. SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #189

applegrove............ Upthevibe Apr 2024 #22

You're welcome. applegrove Apr 2024 #24

Same Here! The_Zephyr Apr 2024 #26

Too Many People... GB_RN Apr 2024 #31

Those on the purity left SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #34

Hope That Moral Superiority Tastes Good... GB_RN Apr 2024 #42

Funny thing that. ALL of the major big ticket items in Biden's agenda that were blocked were blocked by Celerity Apr 2024 #80

I wasn't referring to progressive democrats in congress SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #86

ok, but that old purity test as an anti-progressive weapon and framing definitely has floated around here since I joined Celerity Apr 2024 #91

Still not what I was referring to SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #94

I acknowledged that in my reply to you. I now know what you meant. Celerity Apr 2024 #97

Great 👍 SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #100

all good! Celerity Apr 2024 #101

Of course all the AOC haters are coming out of the woodwork SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #32

Fascinating to see the people who say the don't like aoc because she's a purist unblock Apr 2024 #52

I call it AI Russian Chinese replies. They appear whenever someone's applegrove Apr 2024 #56

Haters? sheshe2 Apr 2024 #60

The lady doth protest too much, methinks SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #67

Excuse me? sheshe2 Apr 2024 #72

No SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #73

Naturally. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #75

Who's on first! SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #79

IKR?! sheshe2 Apr 2024 #84

Why am I not surprised. sheshe2 Apr 2024 #96

You do have the awareness that you posted a sexist remark, don't you? madaboutharry Apr 2024 #104

It's hilarious. betsuni Apr 2024 #88

This sums it up nicely. sheshe2 Apr 2024 #103

The weaponization of the word "progressive" against the Democratic Party has done a lot betsuni Apr 2024 #182

They are even allowed to make racist comments about 'the Squad' RandiFan1290 Apr 2024 #185

Why do you like Nina Turner? betsuni Apr 2024 #187

"The Woke Tan Clan" RandiFan1290 Apr 2024 #188

Why do you like Nina Turner? betsuni Apr 2024 #190

breathe duers et tu Apr 2024 #41

Thank You!!! Think. Again. Apr 2024 #110

I agree with her 100%. I don't always agree with Biden but nothing will keep me from Autumn Apr 2024 #49

What values does AOC have that Biden does not? Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #54

She didn't go into that. Maybe she figures the fact that she supports him is enough. Autumn Apr 2024 #61

You're the one who indicated you agreed with her. What exactly are you agreeing to? Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #64

I didn't indicate it. I fucking said it. I know what values I have that Joe doesn't share Autumn Apr 2024 #66

Which values would those be? Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #71

None of your business what my values are, just I have no need to know about yours. nt Autumn Apr 2024 #76

Don't let yourself be baited. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #111

Not going to happen. I owe nobody any explanation. My friends and family know. Autumn Apr 2024 #118

I'm interested in knowing this, too, but I guess it's none of our beeswax. betsuni Apr 2024 #93

But... still supporting it 100%! Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #115

It all comes back to: If you can't make it about policy because there's only a difference in strategy betsuni Apr 2024 #180

Yes, I remember that awful statement! What a rotten thing to say. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #181

No there wasn't, far as I know. Not some countries, ANY other country. betsuni Apr 2024 #183

Can you li nk to the video or transcript you agree with? The Op video doesn't exist for me when tried to watch. MerryBlooms Apr 2024 #166

No, the OP link now shows a meme but you can look at posts 90 and 108. Autumn Apr 2024 #191

I think AOC has a bright future in our party. I agree with her. walkingman Apr 2024 #53

It's amazing. AOC comes out in supoprt of Biden, and we have DUers criticizing her for it. Gore1FL Apr 2024 #55

Nobody here is criticizing the actual "support" part of what she said. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #57

But it wasn't an insult SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #58

Of course it was. She's saying that Joe Biden doesn't share her values. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #62

No it wasn't SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #65

Nothing dishonest at all about it. She said what she said * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #74

No It's not SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #77

It was a cheap shot, an insult, and unnecessary * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #81

No it wasn't SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #87

Pretending that it wasn't ham-handed won't make it eloquent and thoughtful. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #89

It wasn't SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #95

Insinuating that Biden lacks values is not supportive. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #112

It doesn't in any way insinuate that Biden lacks values SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #120

The need to find fault with what she said is typical of the people who like to find fault with her Gore1FL Apr 2024 #106

No nits are being picked. It's perfectly reasonable to expect elected officials to * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #114

Get over it. Gore1FL Apr 2024 #117

It is amazing SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #122

Yep. Goddessartist Apr 2024 #200

And people defended Nina Turner's "half bowl of shit" statement about Biden * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #123

I didn't mention Nina Turner. I am not accepting the new goal posts. Gore1FL Apr 2024 #124

No need to run away. It's a perfectly valid comparison. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #125

Not running. Simply not participating. Gore1FL Apr 2024 #135

From this yellowdawg, liberal Democrat -- right on! ananda Apr 2024 #63

I like AOC just fine. She knows her stuff and has grown. As to Biden, he has been wildly better than PatrickforB Apr 2024 #68

Well said AOC!! Celerity Apr 2024 #69

As supportive statements go, this one seems a bit ham handed to me. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #78

No, it was great. nt Celerity Apr 2024 #82

It was perfect. Well said. Great meme. Speaks to those applegrove Apr 2024 #85

Huh? Are you saying that she's "code talking" to let people know she's anti-Israel? Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #92

No. I am saying some people have no tolerance for Israel in this war. applegrove Apr 2024 #98

Let's hope that all Progressive Democrats are as smart as AOC & get out and vote for Biden. elocs Apr 2024 #83

Where did she say the following quote you posted? Celerity Apr 2024 #90

On top of the video is the meme I quoted. It is at the same link posted by applegrove Apr 2024 #102

There is NO documentation info in that meme whatsoever. No time, date, or place she said it. Anyone could make it up. Celerity Apr 2024 #105

Other than the meme SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2024 #107

Unless the OP can provide documentation that proves that is not a fake quote, this OP should be taken down. Celerity Apr 2024 #113

Someone named Pam Keith on twitter said it was from AOC. applegrove Apr 2024 #108

yes, I already discussed that tweet in my last reply, and again, there is NO documentation in that tweet whatsoever Celerity Apr 2024 #116

Personally, I think it's a good OP... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #121

I thought it was a good meme too. We try our best. applegrove Apr 2024 #127

Until proven otherwise it is a suspect and likely false quote. If she said policies, then zero controversies, BUT Celerity Apr 2024 #129

As I mentioned, it is a good paraphrase of her stance if not a direct quote.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #138

It is not presented as a paraphrase, and also it uses loaded language (values) that incites division as it paints Celerity Apr 2024 #139

Here is a quote from Jan. where AOC uses the word "landscape" applegrove Apr 2024 #126

it doesn't help, a random word used in entirely different setting is not proof in the slightest that the quote is real Celerity Apr 2024 #175

I just didn't want to put up the idea as a video alone. I wanted applegrove Apr 2024 #176

I am an idea person as well. But I also adhere to factual groundings and documentation for claims. Celerity Apr 2024 #177

Thank you for pursuing this, Celerity Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2024 #184

Do not forget that intim the OP edited it, is was presented for hours as an exact quote. Celerity Apr 2024 #195

Here is the full video blogslug Apr 2024 #128

Yes, I watched the whole thing (as I have stated already) and the quote is NOT in it at all, she did not say those words Celerity Apr 2024 #130

Well blogslug Apr 2024 #133

I think they just got inspiration from her. Remember applegrove Apr 2024 #134

The quote is very much unproven, and uses loaded language (the 'values' part) This thread is very divisive based off Celerity Apr 2024 #137

I think it is great and speaks to something important: applegrove Apr 2024 #140

I think it is pretty problematic to take an entirely undocumented meme and then present is as a quote, a quote Celerity Apr 2024 #141

Well we donn't agree a narrative is the most important thing applegrove Apr 2024 #144

That is very disturbing PatSeg Apr 2024 #143

Does it go against DU terms of service? For sure we need to discuss and flush out how applegrove Apr 2024 #145

that is not germane at all to my (fully documented at this point) issues with the OP Celerity Apr 2024 #146

I think we are at the end of the discussion. The quote applegrove Apr 2024 #149

you have yet to show the slightest proof the quote is real, plus you are glossing over the loaded language Celerity Apr 2024 #150

It is a representation of what she said. We are not going applegrove Apr 2024 #152

No it is not, and the onus to prove the quote (which has divisive wording) is real is on you. You made the OP, not me. Celerity Apr 2024 #154

I put a note that the quote was representative. applegrove Apr 2024 #158

If its a "representation" how is it a "quote" onenote Apr 2024 #161

Okay. Will correct the quote. applegrove Apr 2024 #165

Okay. You got me. I so didn't want to get rid of the idea in the "quote" applegrove Apr 2024 #169

I really have no idea PatSeg Apr 2024 #159

Thanks for your input. applegrove Apr 2024 #164

I saw an excerpt a couple of days ago. summer_in_TX Apr 2024 #172

Thanks. applegrove Apr 2024 #178

No it is not. She never said anything about Biden not standing up for some of her values. It didn't happen. Celerity Apr 2024 #201

Exactly the right attitude mvd Apr 2024 #136

Exactly. Don't let 'perfect' be the enemy of progress. In It to Win It Apr 2024 #147

Cornell West and RFK should be taking notes Blue Owl Apr 2024 #153

Why? They hate Democrats. betsuni Apr 2024 #186

Thank you, cilla4progress Apr 2024 #156

That's my thinking, too. SYFROYH Apr 2024 #198

Well said. Martin68 Apr 2024 #199