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15. A wealth tax is handled differently all over Europe
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 07:42 AM
Apr 2024

In France, it used to kick in at 3 million francs, or about $500,000. When the socialists took power in 1981, it was enforced except in one area. The father of the finance minister, an ardent socialist, was a dealer in fine art, so, quite coincidentally, of course, fine art was excepted. Bienvenu en France. There is one in the Netherlands as well, but I don't know what the exceptions are there. It is unconstitutional in Germany. so there is not and will not be one there. It seems that back in the 1930s, a certain ethnic group was singled out for special taxes, whether that which was being newly taxed had already been taxed or not. Therefore, the postwar German constitution expressly forbade double taxation. When the Social Demovrats tried to enact a wealth tax anyway, it was immediately labled a "Neidsteuer," or a "jealousy tax," as it would tax, again, wealth that had already been taxed ("we have decided that you still have too much left over, and we want it" ). It was brought before the Supreme Court of Germany, who in essence, said, "can't you read? You cannot tax money that has already been taxed once!" They pointed to the article forbidding double taxation, and said the question was long ago settled.

I see a huge problem with taxing unrealized gains for the very reason you point out. If the value of a portfolio drops to a level below what was taxed the year before, then the taxing authority would be obligated to return the tax previously collected on the previously higher valuation. The accounting and oversight would be a nightmare. The setting up of offshore holding companies would balloon. If the government were serious about getting a slice of that pie, they should just enact a law forbidding the owner of securities that held large unrealized gains from borrowing against them except to build a residence they will move into when completed, or else to open a business that will have paid employees, at least half of whom must be located within the United States.

And the ever increasing edhopper Apr 2024 #1
How long can they delay paying the financial institution? LakeVermilion Apr 2024 #2
At 0% interest, no doubt. Igel Apr 2024 #4
debt consolidation programme? Celerity Apr 2024 #13
Actually, they kind of CAN dfelay it forever... almost Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #18
All the congress had to do is put a 10 percent jimfields33 Apr 2024 #3
But a percentage of what? Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #19
Not quite accurate Bucky Apr 2024 #5
The top rate is expected to revert to 39.6% EOY WarGamer Apr 2024 #9
A CEO would usually get normal cash income as well and that is taxed. BSdetect Apr 2024 #6
When you say "What they spend the borrowed money on is tax deductible (for the interest that is)" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2024 #7
Yes, that interest is deductible. BSdetect Apr 2024 #11
Which seems to be amazing, from the UK muriel_volestrangler Apr 2024 #14
They buy property which can be be depreciated (Trump loves this) Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #20
All true... but somehow it never changes. WarGamer Apr 2024 #8
Government gives money to his company Johonny Apr 2024 #10
If the argument is that we have should have a wealth tax, You've got a long haul..... brooklynite Apr 2024 #12
A wealth tax is handled differently all over Europe DFW Apr 2024 #15
wealth taxes are somewhat farught, but.... Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #21
Slick s.o.b.s oasis Apr 2024 #16
There needs to be a massive public education campaign Mysterian Apr 2024 #17
And don't forget the expenses half of it all Johnny2X2X Apr 2024 #22
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