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114. You keep bringing up this 1948 partition
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 04:16 PM
Apr 2024

By which I assume you mean the partition plan adopted by the UN in 1947?

The Israelis mostly accepted the plan, while the Palestinians (and Arab states as a whole) basically rejected it outright.

Since they never agreed to the borders in the partition plan in the first place, they can't now suddenly hold them to be sacrosanct.

Immediately after the resolution was adopted, there was a civil war in Mandatory Palestine, immediately followed by the Arab-Israeli war once the Mandate ceased to exist.

In these wars, both sides were trying to grab more land than the partition plan had laid out. In the end, the Israelis had control of large chunks of what would have been the Arab state under the partition plan. Egypt and Jordan also annexed much of this land.

So the 1947 UN partition plan was never really in effect. The war changed the situation, and Israel came out ahead. Again, I don't see how the side that rejected the original plan can now go back and demand its enforcement just because they tried (and failed) to conquor additional land for themselves.

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Time for some arrests. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #1
.... lapucelle Apr 2024 #2
OMG! This not the place. TeamProg Apr 2024 #20
To use a Futurama reference... Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #26
Exactly. revmclaren Apr 2024 #28
I'm sure that if they had their way... Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #31
Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women. These students did not TeamProg Apr 2024 #35
Non-members or Jews? EX500rider Apr 2024 #36
Opposing protesters is what I wrote. It seems you missed my main point. TeamProg Apr 2024 #38
No here's what you wrote verbatim EX500rider Apr 2024 #41
First off, their 'club' isn't a real thing so 'non-members' aren't a TeamProg Apr 2024 #43
So you're repudiating the terms you introduced into the discussion. lapucelle Apr 2024 #61
That's just cemantics, the important thing is, if justice prevails, history will NOT be kind. TeamProg Apr 2024 #62
You are correct, history will not be kind to anti-Semitism on US campuses EX500rider Apr 2024 #66
For the hundredth millionth time, it's not anti-semetic to be Anti-Netanyahu / Anti-Israeli politics. To blend the two TeamProg Apr 2024 #67
Yes I am sure these chants are just "anti-netanyahu" lol EX500rider Apr 2024 #73
To exclude someone because they are jewish is not the same getagrip_already Apr 2024 #83
But atreides1 Apr 2024 #84
IMHO, you are totally missing the plot here. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #39
What I see is Israel annexing land beyond the 1948 Partition. TeamProg Apr 2024 #44
You know it was the Arabs that attecked them, right? Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #46
You did not address the land annexation issue. TeamProg Apr 2024 #47
Israel took Gaza from Egypt and the Gohlan from Syria because they kept using them as jumping off points for attacks ripcord Apr 2024 #118
What does that have to do with Jews in the U.S.? ripcord Apr 2024 #59
That's two different issues. #1: 'Pro' and 'opposition' to Israel's retaliation is worldwide. #2: I didn't hear the pro TeamProg Apr 2024 #60
The protesters were using the word "Zionist" Mossfern Apr 2024 #69
Were they addressing Jews they knew to be Zionist forthemiddle Apr 2024 #81
the identifier was allegedly a visible Magen David necklace so yeah MistakenLamb Apr 2024 #91
I can't speak for the history, but presently, annexing land that is not Israel's as was designated in the 1948 Partition TeamProg Apr 2024 #93
You keep bringing up this 1948 partition The Revolution Apr 2024 #114
It was drawn up in late 1947, but not put into place until 1948. That's why it's called the 1948 Partition. TeamProg Apr 2024 #116
But it was never put in place The Revolution Apr 2024 #117
Israel was granted land in the Partition ripcord Apr 2024 #119
Actual Nazis started small and gradually escalated from there. Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #42
+1 betsuni Apr 2024 #89
Actual Nazis did not begin with the "horrible things" wnylib Apr 2024 #92
"Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women." keithbvadu2 Apr 2024 #102
I disagree. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #37
I admit I'm a bit flummoxed by the actions of these students TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #3
It is both. Ace Rothstein Apr 2024 #6
Both, yup. And naive and performative outrage to get laid. AnrothElf Apr 2024 #19
Some of Rebl2 Apr 2024 #56
that's already been answered stopdiggin Apr 2024 #68
"Outside agitators" was the term used during the anti-Vietnam War protests. sop Apr 2024 #101
You shouldn't be. Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #40
Yeah, fucking Authoritarian Anti Semitic Assholes.. Cha Apr 2024 #4
"a private, exclusive, no-Zionists-allowed community on your campus quad." betsuni Apr 2024 #10
Yes , Obvious. Who the hell do they think they are? Cha Apr 2024 #11
Well, on the video of some of them being arrested: "Why are you doing this to me?" betsuni Apr 2024 #34
Pity Wallow Harder protesters. Cha Apr 2024 #75
Your posts on this are radioactive sarisataka Apr 2024 #5
I would imagine that some people might have me on "ignore". lapucelle Apr 2024 #9
WTF indeed. yardwork Apr 2024 #7
Protesters demanding privacy. betsuni Apr 2024 #8
.. Cha Apr 2024 #12
Ludicrous. How dare obvious anti-Semitism be reported! Must be right-wing sources and betsuni Apr 2024 #32
what a lot of people have been pointing to all along stopdiggin Apr 2024 #13
Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Apr 2024 #14
and is anybody else struck by the absolute CRINGE factor stopdiggin Apr 2024 #15
Kinda slaps you in the face, so yeah... I was struck by that AnrothElf Apr 2024 #18
Yes! betsuni Apr 2024 #23
serious cringe stopdiggin Apr 2024 #24
At first I read the OP as "We have Zombies who have entered the camp" and thought fine, as in any horror movie you betsuni Apr 2024 #29
Disturbing... the whole chanting hivemind mass insanity of it all. AnrothElf Apr 2024 #16
This has a certain Occupy Wall Street/Zuccotti Park sit-in vibe to it. sop Apr 2024 #104
Yah I was one of those people who was into OWS at first. AnrothElf Apr 2024 #105
Chilling! Mossfern Apr 2024 #17
Post removed Post removed Apr 2024 #30
Cult shit Mountainguy Apr 2024 #21
The term Zeitghost Apr 2024 #22
These fanatics Mz Pip Apr 2024 #25
Columbia is on private property, and that means protesters do not JohnSJ Apr 2024 #27
Disgusting, isn't it? I'm not surprised at all. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #33
This::::: TeamProg Apr 2024 #45
Sorry, "Quick look over here!" doesn't work on me. lapucelle Apr 2024 #49
Do the perspectives of your fellow humans and ideological house mates hold any weight? TeamProg Apr 2024 #50
Sometimes *people* who proffer unsolicited advice lapucelle Apr 2024 #74
Jewish students at Colombia aren't responsible for the comradebillyboy Apr 2024 #57
Well, of course not. Not sure how that relates through all of the back and forth, though. I am neither Muslim, TeamProg Apr 2024 #58
Yeah, but the GD Anti Semitic Protesters don't Cha Apr 2024 #88
That has absolutely nothing to do with US Jews ripcord Apr 2024 #71
A level ugliness I'd hoped would not be met Torchlight Apr 2024 #48
Columbia has allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest (a whole Lawn) ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #51
How about nobody throws punches? RandySF Apr 2024 #52
If counter protestors do not mingle, punches would be tough. ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #54
Can you show me where Columbia gave permission for these groups to have exclusive use of the quad? ripcord Apr 2024 #63
There was a story about a business school professor who wanted to enter the protest area... ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #76
the University has said that "Zionist" cannot mingle? stopdiggin Apr 2024 #70
There is a business school professor who wanted to mingle ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #77
a 'safety issue' adopted (and enforced) entirely at the hands of stopdiggin Apr 2024 #72
Google Shai Davidai ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #80
Columbia hasn't "allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest". lapucelle Apr 2024 #78
Actually, the university is keeping counter protestors out... ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #79
There is no "tacit agreement" between the Columbia University and the encampment trespassers. lapucelle Apr 2024 #85
This discussion is about who is keeping pro Israel folks out. ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #86
This discussion is about the false claim lapucelle Apr 2024 #87
And columbia itself had kept non protesters away. ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #90
Were the Jewish students counter protesters Mossfern Apr 2024 #94
I'll be brave and respond 'cause I do like dialogue with you even though we disagree on much about this situation. Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #96
Thank you for being brave! Honestly. Mossfern Apr 2024 #99
The only incident i have actually seen reported on is the professor, Shai Davidai ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #100
So you see the actions of creating a human chain and chanting Mossfern Apr 2024 #103
Non- campers trying to enter the camp? ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #106
Were the students protesting? Mossfern Apr 2024 #107
I can't comment on the groups criteria for being a part of the camp ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #108
I'd love to know what the critera are. Mossfern Apr 2024 #109
That's odd that it would seem orwellian. ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #110
So they are a separate entity given authority by the administration of Columbia? Mossfern Apr 2024 #111
There are jews in the camp, so they are not excluded based on ethnicity... ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #112
Call me "Pollyanna" Mossfern Apr 2024 #113
I think their goal is dialogue with the university, not with supporters of Israel. ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #115
I would have kept walking, not stopped for their human chain ripcord Apr 2024 #120
Didn't these fools learn from the Safe Space We Need Some Muscle prof at Missouri? Prairie Gates Apr 2024 #53
These protestors are cowards and frauds. madaboutharry Apr 2024 #55
NYU protesters had mass-produced signs: Capitalism is deadly, Dismantle the Police State. betsuni Apr 2024 #65
Very unnerving and upsetting. Fla Dem Apr 2024 #64
That is certainly ugly. While I think students have the right to protest - I'm not sure what their right to privacy is. Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #82
Did the excluded students identify as Zionists? Mossfern Apr 2024 #95
I can't really tell from the video really much but I don't think anyone was a "victim". Victim to me implies something Nanjeanne Apr 2024 #97
I meant it as figurative Mossfern Apr 2024 #98
That was at Columbia? DFW Apr 2024 #121
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