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Lionessa

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144. No matter how many individual issues you bring up, matters not,

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:19 AM

Nov 2012

I tell the truth, period. If you can't imagine how to tell the truth without hurting someone's feelings, well you have a deficiency. I'm sorry for you. Poor thing. I'm also glad we are not friends, I would have to now try to figure what you had lied to me about all the years I had known you. How many times did you lie, how many times did you treat me like I was too fragile for the truth, how many times did I make decisions that were awful because I trusted your lies....

Yeah, I never want my friends, my family, my children, or anyone I come in contact with to wonder whether I told the truth, whether I respected their strength of character, or worse yet make decisions that might not be best simply because they trusted me to give honest answers, honest assessments, etc. I have no doubt that exactly zero of my people would say, "yeah, I'd rather you lie to me than tell me the truth." I gather you don't have the same faith in your people.

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What age did you tell your kids there was no Santi Claus? [View all] NNN0LHI Nov 2012 OP

4...they figured out "God" on their own by 12. RagAss Nov 2012 #1

Yep, mine on day one, wasn't about to have to explain Lionessa Nov 2012 #53

Nobody ever really told us Populist_Prole Nov 2012 #2

Never told my kids. RebelOne Nov 2012 #13

My mother did the same thing. And no one told us either. I probably stopped believing valerief Nov 2012 #50

We still do from "Santa" gifts in my family and I am 27. n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #145

I still do that! Freddie Nov 2012 #154

I was about 6 or 7. LeftofObama Nov 2012 #3

Right after the heard it on the school bus newfie11 Nov 2012 #4

they tell you elfin Nov 2012 #5

My parents never told me there was a Santa, but I always got a gift or two from "Santa" FSogol Nov 2012 #6

I still give gifts from Santa to my whole family. Believing is fun. Bucky Nov 2012 #9

Please don't ruin it for them. I was 9 yrs old and was devasted when I found out. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #7

Please explain to me the value of EVER lying to children. Lionessa Nov 2012 #55

That's a tacky and personal attack "sucks to be you". She was talking about Christmas and an elf, txwhitedove Nov 2012 #62

Thank you. You got what I was trying to say. I also hope never to lose that child southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #67

Yes, but those stories didn't have adults then pretending they were true Lionessa Nov 2012 #84

Say what? Animals can't talk? Since when? Just a guess, there's no heaven either and dogs don't txwhitedove Nov 2012 #89

Thank you marions ghost Nov 2012 #114

And my grown children pecwae Nov 2012 #158

People survive lying and deception all the time, it doesn't make it moral or right. Lionessa Nov 2012 #162

You've got to be kidding. pecwae Nov 2012 #166

"Letting"?? Folks don't "let," they actively participate in lies and deception, there's Lionessa Nov 2012 #168

I feel sorry for you if you have to ask me that question. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #65

I feel sorry that you're so hung up on needing a lie Lionessa Nov 2012 #85

I learned the hard way. My oldest girl was furious we'd lied to her @ it. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #71

I totally understand her anger. I think things can be explained without lying so why Lionessa Nov 2012 #86

Not feeling the holiday spirit? Bucky Nov 2012 #91

I already responded to this aspect in other posts. Lionessa Nov 2012 #100

ITA about the value of lying to children. I finally figured it out at maybe 9. I felt betrayed raccoon Nov 2012 #125

Well particularly when, with a tad bit of actually thought, Lionessa Nov 2012 #126

You sound like a generally horrible person. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #130

People who lie to and deceive children are far worse, imo. Lionessa Nov 2012 #132

So you tell children that everyone is going to die and cease to exist forever? Orrex Nov 2012 #136

If and when it came up, absolutely, why lie about that either? Lionessa Nov 2012 #138

Again, go on with your bad self Orrex Nov 2012 #139

Lying is bad, truth is not. Get over your excuses for lying and deception. Lionessa Nov 2012 #140

So you answered none of the objections to your bullshit sermonizing? What are we to make of that? Orrex Nov 2012 #141

No matter how many individual issues you bring up, matters not, Lionessa Nov 2012 #144

So, you've got nothing except bullshit sermonizing Orrex Nov 2012 #146

Try as you might, the truth is not bullshit, lies are. Lionessa Nov 2012 #147

Thank you Orrex Nov 2012 #148

I think it sucks to be anyone who doesn't like to pretend sometimes, pnwmom Nov 2012 #151

This discussion is about lying, not pretending; when pretending the children Lionessa Nov 2012 #157

That's what you think, based on your not doing it. pnwmom Nov 2012 #163

My oldest girl was furious that we'd "lied" to her for so many yrs when we told her. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #70

I had the very opposite reaction. I didn't want to know and when I found out I was upset. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #74

I'm with you dflprincess Nov 2012 #80

Thank you. I don't want to lose that interchild that is still part of me. I guess southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #115

Usually when people "believe" what is proveablly false around here, Lionessa Nov 2012 #88

Man you are on some trip. Lighten up sweetie pie. We are talking about Santa Claus southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #116

I find lying to be the topic, Santa is only the catalyst to the topic. Lionessa Nov 2012 #121

If you were here I would play my violin for you. You really southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #123

You folks are really f'd up. I'm perfectly cheerful, I just don't need lies and deceit Lionessa Nov 2012 #124

I am not trying to change your mind. All I said was lighten up. Enjoy your holiday however southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #133

I don't find lying to and deceiving children as a topic to lighten up about. Lionessa Nov 2012 #134

Have a happy holiday anyway. I really don't care about this subject anymore. I'm not southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #135

"That said, I shall exit this topic." Go Vols Nov 2012 #164

+1 pecwae Nov 2012 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author txwhitedove Nov 2012 #96

When I was 7 years old I was hit by a car... one_voice Nov 2012 #94

What a nice story. Thank you for sharing. I bet it was just like yesterday to you. I am southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #117

You were earlier than ordinary. Don't spoil their magical thinking. Bucky Nov 2012 #8

I found out on my own bigwillq Nov 2012 #10

My kids never did believe in Santa. frogmarch Nov 2012 #11

Hell, they eventually told us: "Umm ... Mom ... Dad, we know about Santa, but ... 11 Bravo Nov 2012 #12

SHUT UP! THERE IS TOO A SANTA CLAUSE! Squinch Nov 2012 #14

As a liberal Democrat, I keep on thinking Bobby's going to come back to us one day. Bucky Nov 2012 #20

One of my political heroes too Liberalynn Nov 2012 #75

The impossible logistics of it all is what did it to me Populist_Prole Nov 2012 #15

His magical powers and that bag replenisthes again and again... bkkyosemite Nov 2012 #104

I don't get it Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #16

I didn't have to tell them. dchill Nov 2012 #17

Yes NNN0LHI; There is a Santa Claus handmade34 Nov 2012 #18

Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. (How droll and wrong to say there is not.) Festivito Nov 2012 #108

I think it was around the 1st grade. Separation Nov 2012 #19

My niece found out from the kids at school at about 7 years old, but figured that her Squinch Nov 2012 #21

About 8 ann--- Nov 2012 #22

Kids are smart. longship Nov 2012 #23

I never told them there WAS a Santa Claus agracie Nov 2012 #24

I like that a lot! All the fun and none of the lies. Lucinda Nov 2012 #73

I don't have kids, but from the other side of things, I don't think we were ever told NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #25

What do mean, no Santa Clause? liberal N proud Nov 2012 #26

Raised in the Catholic tradition, I believe that saints have certain powers to summon miracles - hedgehog Nov 2012 #27

My grandkids mainstreetonce Nov 2012 #28

Sanity Clause? mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #29

I already told my 3 yr old. nachosgrande Nov 2012 #30

we all pretended together iwillalwayswonderwhy Nov 2012 #31

Never. When my oldest went off to college and hinted for spending money, I told her to ask Santa. rug Nov 2012 #32

There's NO Santi Claus? tblue Nov 2012 #33

Never told them, they figured it out on their own. Little Star Nov 2012 #34

I let my children figure it out themselves. It gave them self confidence. They experienced Lint Head Nov 2012 #35

36 Turbineguy Nov 2012 #36

We kids knew before the parents let on anything. Coyotl Nov 2012 #37

Probably 2 or 3 karynnj Nov 2012 #38

I think it is okay for parents to play make believe with their children - but I think lying to them Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #39

+1000. nt raccoon Nov 2012 #131

I think my kids were too smart to believe the myth right from the start. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #40

are you saying there's no..... spanone Nov 2012 #41

I think I was about 30 when I told them tularetom Nov 2012 #42

Why would you tell them that? trof Nov 2012 #43

Everybody knows there ain't no Sanity Clause... PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #44

I helped my mum wrap the presents Skittles Nov 2012 #45

Older daughter about 6 HockeyMom Nov 2012 #46

I was 9 when my mom told me PennsylvaniaMatt Nov 2012 #47

Oh come on. It was a time honored sibling tradition to trash Santa by age 7. MichiganVote Nov 2012 #48

My kids are adults now and I still haven't told them. ornotna Nov 2012 #49

The first one - when she asked gollygee Nov 2012 #51

I wait until THEY told me and then I tell them I still believe in him because,,, benld74 Nov 2012 #52

I figured that out at 4, noticing that "Santa's" handwriting was the same as my mother's. David__77 Nov 2012 #54

I waited for them to tell me that there really was no Santa Trailrider1951 Nov 2012 #56

I didn't tell my kids. Other kids told them and I just verified when they asked Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #57

i haven't. i think my 13 year old knows but plays along. my 8 year old ejpoeta Nov 2012 #58

and i am still trying to figure out how santa fits into christmas religiously speaking. ejpoeta Nov 2012 #59

My 7 and 8 year olds still believe but I think there are less and less kids among their friends that Jennicut Nov 2012 #60

What are you talking about? bluedigger Nov 2012 #61

I never told my kids, and they're all over 30. Should I tell them now? Nahhh. txwhitedove Nov 2012 #63

My daughter told me when she was 4... Contrary1 Nov 2012 #64

My daughter figured it out the same way Freddie Nov 2012 #156

WHAT??? x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #66

My daughter demanded the truth Generic Brad Nov 2012 #68

I was 45 when I told them. n/t hootinholler Nov 2012 #69

!! Bucky Nov 2012 #92

My parents never told me there wasn't a Santa Claus, I just Raine Nov 2012 #72

Some other kid usually does the job for you BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #76

I think my oldest figured it out at about 5. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #77

Please edit this post to put "spoiler" in the title (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #78

Whaddya mean there's NO SANTA ??!! WAHHHHH!!! Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #79

My daughter told me there was no Santa when she was nine Irishonly Nov 2012 #81

I recently told my son, "You can believe in Ilsa Nov 2012 #82

Wow. Tough audience. fugop Nov 2012 #83

HAHAHA! drthais Nov 2012 #87

I still haven't told them. Or about the Easter Bunny. Or the Tooth Fairy, for that matter. Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #90

I knew something was up when the tooth fairy never appeared - I'm a light sleeper. So figuring RKP5637 Nov 2012 #93

I don't have kids (and there was much rejoicing) mythology Nov 2012 #95

Haha, explain choice of name "Mythology".... txwhitedove Nov 2012 #97

WHAT????? tavernier Nov 2012 #98

No kids... brooklynite Nov 2012 #99

I haven't yet laundry_queen Nov 2012 #101

My parents never told me there was one Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #102

My mother still believes in Santa and she is 84 nolabels Nov 2012 #103

I think my oldest was 8 when I told him. SheilaT Nov 2012 #105

I must have been in my mid 30's at the time jberryhill Nov 2012 #106

I'm really not sure. Lugnut Nov 2012 #107

There's no sanity clause. 6000eliot Nov 2012 #109

Got to admit I'd keep it going as long as I can. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #110

We didn't have to DFW Nov 2012 #111

My kids zabet Nov 2012 #112

When they asked. nt LWolf Nov 2012 #113

We never used this myth with our child. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #118

When they saw 'Bambi Meets Godzilla' at age 7. randome Nov 2012 #119

i found out the hard way datasuspect Nov 2012 #120

I remember back in 2nd grade maybe, to my friend sakabatou Nov 2012 #122

We never pretended that there was one. nt patrice Nov 2012 #127

I had a probelm with the whole line of your post but I looked on Snopes and I guess you are right. slampoet Nov 2012 #128

My kids never believed in Santa Claus abelenkpe Nov 2012 #129

I always let them decide for themselves liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #137

I let my son learn on his own. Kids are smarter B Calm Nov 2012 #142

I've never told mine (15 and 12 this year)... LannyDeVaney Nov 2012 #143

My kid figured it out at 5 upi402 Nov 2012 #149

I bet the 9 year old's just playing along, pnwmom Nov 2012 #150

A school teacher told me when I was in 1st grade. nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #152

Never told my kids one way or the other...they figured it out on their own. n/t cynatnite Nov 2012 #153

I never told him there was one. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #155

Don't recall ever having that talk union_maid Nov 2012 #159

I neither encouraged or discouraged a belief in Santa Claus left is right Nov 2012 #160

Are you saying there is no Santa Claus? mmonk Nov 2012 #161

What?!? Nooo! Waaaaah! Zorra Nov 2012 #165

My kids told me when I was about 35. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #167