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hlthe2b

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127. No. I posted that. The prosecutors on May 6 brought up his cumulative violations as a topic they
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 07:38 PM
Jun 2024

wanted to (possibly) broach in any cross-examination of Trump as they contemplated the possibility of his testifying. This was in a bench hearing with the judge. I do not know if that was the date they brought up additional breaches/violations of the gag order or not or whether it was several days later. His repeated violations were pretty damned regular, but that would take extensive searches of his violative comments over several weeks--something I do not have time or intend to do--or to search thousands of pages of court transcripts. I told you what I heard discussed by the legal analysts in real-time after one of the several bench hearings at the end of the court day. Whether or not it was May 6 or days later, I do not know. Take it for what you will and believe whatever you wish.

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I think this is a fairly likely scenario. unblock Jun 2024 #1
If Merchan will not jail Trump, it is the only fair option. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #2
And let him know in no uncertain terms, that the sentencing is the warning. Salviati Jun 2024 #53
Yes the conditions have to be in writing and made public. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #66
And then cue the further outrage from the right durablend Jun 2024 #63
They would be angrier if Merchan jails Trump. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #70
I can't be worried about "anger from the right" jmowreader Jun 2024 #119
Nailed it. tavernier Jun 2024 #135
If this country elects him even just by electoral college after this Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #3
I was just reading the Canada doesn't allow convicted felons into the country. That might be a good choice Walleye Jun 2024 #4
Trump WILL NOT be allowed in Canada from this point forward. Biden should use it. Captain Zero Jun 2024 #46
Here you go. Old Crank Jun 2024 #57
Thanks for the list. usaf-vet Jun 2024 #65
How strange. mountain grammy Jun 2024 #107
I'm sure they'll allow a waiver if he must be in Canada NanaCat Jun 2024 #85
Not just people like him: diplomats, entertainers, sports figures onenote Jun 2024 #115
Safe in what way? intrepidity Jun 2024 #6
We've already made plans. unblock Jun 2024 #16
I'm afraid at this point kairos12 Jun 2024 #45
Very wise restriction! erronis Jun 2024 #48
Now that's someone I wish was still here mountain grammy Jun 2024 #109
I'm already making those plans BonnieJW Jun 2024 #55
Yes, rarely talked about but our investments will possibly turn to shit in a short amount of time. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #73
He has to be punished, not indulged Walleye Jun 2024 #5
I agree, but Merchan has indulged Trump and said he is aware of his presidential status. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #18
He has. But that's changed. Now he also knows that tsf's got no other status but that of a convicted felon. ancianita Jun 2024 #50
The core of Justice in the United States is focused on "Reform"... Hugin Jun 2024 #59
Standard probation automatically restricts travel NanaCat Jun 2024 #86
Immediately to prison if he violates! leftieNanner Jun 2024 #7
Right, I hope Merchan does not keep giving Trump sternly worded warnings. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #20
I do hope you realise that a quick trip to jail NanaCat Jun 2024 #87
Yes. leftieNanner Jun 2024 #103
No due process? onenote Jun 2024 #116
GREAT thoughts here!! bluestarone Jun 2024 #8
"Hey your honor judge, I am at leisure to give you any help you need." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #26
He doesn't need to do that NanaCat Jun 2024 #89
Some of us don't watch TV Conjuay Jun 2024 #143
I think Trump is very likely to get jail time. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #9
He is clearly unfit for society. pandr32 Jun 2024 #12
Cohen got 3 years for his mere participation in the crimes Trump was found guilty of... AnrothElf Jun 2024 #19
The crimes Cohen was guilty of committing each had longer maximum sentences than the charges against Trump. onenote Jun 2024 #14
True. Cohen could've gotten much more than 3 years. Trump can get 4 max. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #22
Was the tax evasion part of the same conspiracy? onenote Jun 2024 #23
No. It was a business he had in Chicago jimfields33 Jun 2024 #32
Cohen wasnt convicted... he was railroaded into a plea deal getagrip_already Jun 2024 #102
And Cohen pleaded guilty through a plea deal, whereas Trump was convicted by a jury. W_HAMILTON Jun 2024 #100
In the plan I outlined, Trump most likely gets jail time. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #15
that's my guess... though I won't put a ton of money on it LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #52
Martha Stewart got five months LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #60
And she didn't complain and whine about it or point fingers. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #72
Each of the crimes she was found guilty of had a longer maximum sentence than the crimes Trump was convicted of onenote Jun 2024 #117
LOL NanaCat Jun 2024 #92
He should get 30 days of incarceration for MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #10
He's already been penalized for violating the gag order. onenote Jun 2024 #11
The judge could re-enforce them tho, right? bluestarone Jun 2024 #17
I think the gag order is over when the trial is over. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #28
I think the gag order is part of his bond conditions getagrip_already Jun 2024 #101
Yes the point is that new conditions will be set at the sentencing hearing. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #105
There were remaining alleged violations upon which Justice Merchan did not rule but rather hlthe2b Jun 2024 #25
Do you know what these alleged violations are? Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #29
I don't have time to research, sorry, but I can recall it being reported in the transcripts in the hlthe2b Jun 2024 #35
So there were more violations than we knew about at the time. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #37
At least allegations. On May 6 the prosecution sought to bring some of that up in cross of Trump IF he had hlthe2b Jun 2024 #38
Maybe it will come out at time of sentencing. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #40
Ugh. 310 pages in the transcript for May 6... Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #54
Nothing in the transcript suggests there are other alleged violations not yet ruled on. onenote Jun 2024 #121
I searched it for "order" and only found a short discussion of those you point out. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #126
As the days rolled by the press pointed out MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #42
Yes we know about those. I thought maybe there were others we didn't know about. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #43
The press alleging violations is meaningless. It is up to the DA to decide whether to seek a ruling from the court. onenote Jun 2024 #122
Who alleged these additional violations? Did the DA move for sanctions for these alleged additional violations? onenote Jun 2024 #118
The prosecutors..and don't be condescending. I know quite well the issues. hlthe2b Jun 2024 #120
I'd love to see a citation to where the prosecutors alleged additional violations of the gag order. onenote Jun 2024 #123
So would I... Let me know when you find it. I heard it discussed on either MSNBC or CNN a week or more hlthe2b Jun 2024 #124
It was suggested that it came up in the May 6 transcript. A word search is quick and easy. And shows nothing. onenote Jun 2024 #125
No. I posted that. The prosecutors on May 6 brought up his cumulative violations as a topic they hlthe2b Jun 2024 #127
The May 6 transcript is easily searched and there is nothing remotely resembling what you describe. onenote Jun 2024 #128
MSNBC blog references the dispute about Trump cross including violation discussion. hlthe2b Jun 2024 #133
Thanks. This helps clear things up a bit. But it also confirms there was no discussion of new violations. onenote Jun 2024 #144
Very good. H2O Man Jun 2024 #13
The process in the case of an alleged probation violation onenote Jun 2024 #21
+1 Hugin Jun 2024 #24
I assume Merchan will give Trump a couple of warnings before he jails him for probation violations. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #31
Is "heave the offender into a live volcano" one of the options? Orrex Jun 2024 #62
I am hoping that Judge Merchan does put Trump in jail. TexasTowelie Jun 2024 #27
Sacrificed his personal freedom? jimfields33 Jun 2024 #34
I think this is about "personal safety." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #41
Serving 60 days should be a condition of probation. Sneederbunk Jun 2024 #30
This would be good shock therapy and force Trump to focus. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #33
Trump should have to serve exactly the same sentence that Cohen served. mackdaddy Jun 2024 #36
Yes Trump should get at the minimum the same sentence, if not more. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #39
Any conditions and the repercussions of violations of those conditions.... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #44
Yes all in writing and made public. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #67
The gag order demonstrates he is capable of following the rules ColinC Jun 2024 #47
Only after stern warnings and a fine. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #68
...only after stern warnings and a fine. Absolutely. ColinC Jun 2024 #91
I agree that he doesn't want to go to jail. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #93
Might as well just send the sad sack to jail ColinC Jun 2024 #96
He may be going to prison one way or the other. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #97
Would Trump view violating the probation conditions and being given jail time AdamGG Jun 2024 #49
We would find out if this is his goal. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #71
Yeah, but he's going to break the rules and HE ALREADY BROKE THE RULES IN THE TRIAL LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #51
Yes, so Trump will go directly to jail, do not pass go. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #74
Praying! LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #83
Jail is the ONLY thing that will work nakocal Jun 2024 #56
Here is a suggestion LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #58
Very unlikely the judge will do this. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #75
Yeah, I figure he'll still be Teflon Don. Get the rich white collar treatment. GPV Jun 2024 #112
Yes he is going to get special treatment, this is certain. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #114
I totally agree. Probation would take ammo away from his supporters, but he'd be guaranteed to break the conditions of Martin68 Jun 2024 #61
Yes exactly. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #76
I'm afraid that's postponing the inevitable...and yet again undermining our system of criminal justice Mr. Ected Jun 2024 #64
Yes postponing it is the major point. It is a slower descent into prison. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #77
For a single felony, sure, a slap on the wrist, why not. C_U_L8R Jun 2024 #69
I agree, and with this plan Trump ends up in jail. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #79
This wouldn't be a problem if I'd been given the keys... calimary Jun 2024 #78
Right quite a few of us would love the keys to put Trump in supermax. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #80
i want the judge to announce 'X amount of time in jail'....long pause so trump can wet himself.. samnsara Jun 2024 #81
This is good. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #82
All probation has conditions NanaCat Jun 2024 #84
Well yes of course. Probation has automatic conditions. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #95
He should be under house arrest. One house only, Trump Tower. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #88
Yes Trump Tower will be better. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #98
Do they have Adult Day Care for felons? Nap time, story time, rant time? /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2024 #90
I am sure the Bureau of Prisons will get right on it. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #106
I agree with this, but with one little addition LLC Jun 2024 #94
Yep, only prison food which will go flying in the air. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #99
He's a contrarian. Gore1FL Jun 2024 #104
Yes Trump is oppositional and defiant. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #108
I heard Tump will have to do an intelligent test for his parole Emile Jun 2024 #110
A probation officer cannot administer an IQ test. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #130
MSNBC were talking about it. I'm Emile Jun 2024 #136
This should be very interesting. If I were Trump I would refuse to do it. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #137
Do you think he has that option to refuse a court order? Emile Jun 2024 #139
Yes of course he does: he is rich, male, white and special. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #140
I think it's common practice in NY for Emile Jun 2024 #141
"A psychological test." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #142
You're assuming the court will order such an evaluation. They won't. onenote Jun 2024 #145
Judges order psychiatric evaluations Emile Jun 2024 #146
I'm not assuming either: I checked with my law firm partners who handle white collar crimes in New York onenote Jun 2024 #147
Judge Juan M. Merchan runs a mental health court. Emile Jun 2024 #148
Trump will undoubtedly violate. Straw Man Jun 2024 #111
The judge might want to send Trump to jail in stages. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #131
I like this suggestion. liberalla Jun 2024 #113
I think it's likely it will be probation and/or house arrest - TBF Jun 2024 #129
The SS can just turn over custody to the Bureau of Prisons. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #132
Cool - I didn't know they could do that. TBF Jun 2024 #149
TCF won't make it five steps outside the hearing room Buns_of_Fire Jun 2024 #134
Merchan will do the stern lecture routine a couple of times first. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #138
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