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143. Some of us don't watch TV

Sun Jun 2, 2024, 08:43 AM

Jun 2024

And if we do it isn't to see some tedious police "drama".
If I don't hear someone like David Attenborough narrating, I'm not watching.

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One way Judge Merchan could handle sentencing: [View all] Irish_Dem Jun 2024 OP

I think this is a fairly likely scenario. unblock Jun 2024 #1

If Merchan will not jail Trump, it is the only fair option. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #2

And let him know in no uncertain terms, that the sentencing is the warning. Salviati Jun 2024 #53

Yes the conditions have to be in writing and made public. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #66

And then cue the further outrage from the right durablend Jun 2024 #63

They would be angrier if Merchan jails Trump. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #70

I can't be worried about "anger from the right" jmowreader Jun 2024 #119

Nailed it. tavernier Jun 2024 #135

If this country elects him even just by electoral college after this Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #3

I was just reading the Canada doesn't allow convicted felons into the country. That might be a good choice Walleye Jun 2024 #4

Trump WILL NOT be allowed in Canada from this point forward. Biden should use it. Captain Zero Jun 2024 #46

Here you go. Old Crank Jun 2024 #57

Thanks for the list. usaf-vet Jun 2024 #65

How strange. mountain grammy Jun 2024 #107

I'm sure they'll allow a waiver if he must be in Canada NanaCat Jun 2024 #85

Not just people like him: diplomats, entertainers, sports figures onenote Jun 2024 #115

Safe in what way? intrepidity Jun 2024 #6

We've already made plans. unblock Jun 2024 #16

I'm afraid at this point kairos12 Jun 2024 #45

Very wise restriction! erronis Jun 2024 #48

Now that's someone I wish was still here mountain grammy Jun 2024 #109

I'm already making those plans BonnieJW Jun 2024 #55

Yes, rarely talked about but our investments will possibly turn to shit in a short amount of time. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2024 #73

He has to be punished, not indulged Walleye Jun 2024 #5

I agree, but Merchan has indulged Trump and said he is aware of his presidential status. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #18

He has. But that's changed. Now he also knows that tsf's got no other status but that of a convicted felon. ancianita Jun 2024 #50

The core of Justice in the United States is focused on "Reform"... Hugin Jun 2024 #59

Standard probation automatically restricts travel NanaCat Jun 2024 #86

Immediately to prison if he violates! leftieNanner Jun 2024 #7

Right, I hope Merchan does not keep giving Trump sternly worded warnings. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #20

I do hope you realise that a quick trip to jail NanaCat Jun 2024 #87

Yes. leftieNanner Jun 2024 #103

No due process? onenote Jun 2024 #116

GREAT thoughts here!! bluestarone Jun 2024 #8

"Hey your honor judge, I am at leisure to give you any help you need." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #26

He doesn't need to do that NanaCat Jun 2024 #89

Some of us don't watch TV Conjuay Jun 2024 #143

I think Trump is very likely to get jail time. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #9

He is clearly unfit for society. pandr32 Jun 2024 #12

Cohen got 3 years for his mere participation in the crimes Trump was found guilty of... AnrothElf Jun 2024 #19

The crimes Cohen was guilty of committing each had longer maximum sentences than the charges against Trump. onenote Jun 2024 #14

True. Cohen could've gotten much more than 3 years. Trump can get 4 max. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #22

Was the tax evasion part of the same conspiracy? onenote Jun 2024 #23

No. It was a business he had in Chicago jimfields33 Jun 2024 #32

Cohen wasnt convicted... he was railroaded into a plea deal getagrip_already Jun 2024 #102

And Cohen pleaded guilty through a plea deal, whereas Trump was convicted by a jury. W_HAMILTON Jun 2024 #100

In the plan I outlined, Trump most likely gets jail time. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #15

that's my guess... though I won't put a ton of money on it LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #52

Martha Stewart got five months LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #60

And she didn't complain and whine about it or point fingers. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #72

Each of the crimes she was found guilty of had a longer maximum sentence than the crimes Trump was convicted of onenote Jun 2024 #117

LOL NanaCat Jun 2024 #92

He should get 30 days of incarceration for MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #10

He's already been penalized for violating the gag order. onenote Jun 2024 #11

The judge could re-enforce them tho, right? bluestarone Jun 2024 #17

I think the gag order is over when the trial is over. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #28

I think the gag order is part of his bond conditions getagrip_already Jun 2024 #101

Yes the point is that new conditions will be set at the sentencing hearing. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #105

There were remaining alleged violations upon which Justice Merchan did not rule but rather hlthe2b Jun 2024 #25

Do you know what these alleged violations are? Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #29

I don't have time to research, sorry, but I can recall it being reported in the transcripts in the hlthe2b Jun 2024 #35

So there were more violations than we knew about at the time. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #37

At least allegations. On May 6 the prosecution sought to bring some of that up in cross of Trump IF he had hlthe2b Jun 2024 #38

Maybe it will come out at time of sentencing. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #40

Ugh. 310 pages in the transcript for May 6... Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #54

Nothing in the transcript suggests there are other alleged violations not yet ruled on. onenote Jun 2024 #121

I searched it for "order" and only found a short discussion of those you point out. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #126

As the days rolled by the press pointed out MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #42

Yes we know about those. I thought maybe there were others we didn't know about. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #43

The press alleging violations is meaningless. It is up to the DA to decide whether to seek a ruling from the court. onenote Jun 2024 #122

Who alleged these additional violations? Did the DA move for sanctions for these alleged additional violations? onenote Jun 2024 #118

The prosecutors..and don't be condescending. I know quite well the issues. hlthe2b Jun 2024 #120

I'd love to see a citation to where the prosecutors alleged additional violations of the gag order. onenote Jun 2024 #123

So would I... Let me know when you find it. I heard it discussed on either MSNBC or CNN a week or more hlthe2b Jun 2024 #124

It was suggested that it came up in the May 6 transcript. A word search is quick and easy. And shows nothing. onenote Jun 2024 #125

No. I posted that. The prosecutors on May 6 brought up his cumulative violations as a topic they hlthe2b Jun 2024 #127

The May 6 transcript is easily searched and there is nothing remotely resembling what you describe. onenote Jun 2024 #128

MSNBC blog references the dispute about Trump cross including violation discussion. hlthe2b Jun 2024 #133

Thanks. This helps clear things up a bit. But it also confirms there was no discussion of new violations. onenote Jun 2024 #144

Very good. H2O Man Jun 2024 #13

The process in the case of an alleged probation violation onenote Jun 2024 #21

+1 Hugin Jun 2024 #24

I assume Merchan will give Trump a couple of warnings before he jails him for probation violations. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #31

Is "heave the offender into a live volcano" one of the options? Orrex Jun 2024 #62

I am hoping that Judge Merchan does put Trump in jail. TexasTowelie Jun 2024 #27

Sacrificed his personal freedom? jimfields33 Jun 2024 #34

I think this is about "personal safety." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #41

Serving 60 days should be a condition of probation. Sneederbunk Jun 2024 #30

This would be good shock therapy and force Trump to focus. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #33

Trump should have to serve exactly the same sentence that Cohen served. mackdaddy Jun 2024 #36

Yes Trump should get at the minimum the same sentence, if not more. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #39

Any conditions and the repercussions of violations of those conditions.... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #44

Yes all in writing and made public. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #67

The gag order demonstrates he is capable of following the rules ColinC Jun 2024 #47

Only after stern warnings and a fine. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #68

...only after stern warnings and a fine. Absolutely. ColinC Jun 2024 #91

I agree that he doesn't want to go to jail. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #93

Might as well just send the sad sack to jail ColinC Jun 2024 #96

He may be going to prison one way or the other. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #97

Would Trump view violating the probation conditions and being given jail time AdamGG Jun 2024 #49

We would find out if this is his goal. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #71

Yeah, but he's going to break the rules and HE ALREADY BROKE THE RULES IN THE TRIAL LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #51

Yes, so Trump will go directly to jail, do not pass go. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #74

Praying! LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #83

Jail is the ONLY thing that will work nakocal Jun 2024 #56

Here is a suggestion LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #58

Very unlikely the judge will do this. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #75

Yeah, I figure he'll still be Teflon Don. Get the rich white collar treatment. GPV Jun 2024 #112

Yes he is going to get special treatment, this is certain. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #114

I totally agree. Probation would take ammo away from his supporters, but he'd be guaranteed to break the conditions of Martin68 Jun 2024 #61

Yes exactly. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #76

I'm afraid that's postponing the inevitable...and yet again undermining our system of criminal justice Mr. Ected Jun 2024 #64

Yes postponing it is the major point. It is a slower descent into prison. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #77

For a single felony, sure, a slap on the wrist, why not. C_U_L8R Jun 2024 #69

I agree, and with this plan Trump ends up in jail. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #79

This wouldn't be a problem if I'd been given the keys... calimary Jun 2024 #78

Right quite a few of us would love the keys to put Trump in supermax. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #80

i want the judge to announce 'X amount of time in jail'....long pause so trump can wet himself.. samnsara Jun 2024 #81

This is good. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #82

All probation has conditions NanaCat Jun 2024 #84

Well yes of course. Probation has automatic conditions. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #95

He should be under house arrest. One house only, Trump Tower. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #88

Yes Trump Tower will be better. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #98

Do they have Adult Day Care for felons? Nap time, story time, rant time? /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2024 #90

I am sure the Bureau of Prisons will get right on it. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #106

I agree with this, but with one little addition LLC Jun 2024 #94

Yep, only prison food which will go flying in the air. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #99

He's a contrarian. Gore1FL Jun 2024 #104

Yes Trump is oppositional and defiant. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #108

I heard Tump will have to do an intelligent test for his parole Emile Jun 2024 #110

A probation officer cannot administer an IQ test. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #130

MSNBC were talking about it. I'm Emile Jun 2024 #136

This should be very interesting. If I were Trump I would refuse to do it. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #137

Do you think he has that option to refuse a court order? Emile Jun 2024 #139

Yes of course he does: he is rich, male, white and special. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #140

I think it's common practice in NY for Emile Jun 2024 #141

"A psychological test." Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #142

You're assuming the court will order such an evaluation. They won't. onenote Jun 2024 #145

Judges order psychiatric evaluations Emile Jun 2024 #146

I'm not assuming either: I checked with my law firm partners who handle white collar crimes in New York onenote Jun 2024 #147

Judge Juan M. Merchan runs a mental health court. Emile Jun 2024 #148

Trump will undoubtedly violate. Straw Man Jun 2024 #111

The judge might want to send Trump to jail in stages. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #131

I like this suggestion. liberalla Jun 2024 #113

I think it's likely it will be probation and/or house arrest - TBF Jun 2024 #129

The SS can just turn over custody to the Bureau of Prisons. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #132

Cool - I didn't know they could do that. TBF Jun 2024 #149

TCF won't make it five steps outside the hearing room Buns_of_Fire Jun 2024 #134

Merchan will do the stern lecture routine a couple of times first. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #138