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37,000 Palestinians and 1,478 Israel's have died. That imbalance could be construed by many rational people to amount
Martin68
Jun 2024
#48
Hamas chose to fight a war. Israeli is killing and maiming a hundred thousand civilians. "Collateral damage?"
Martin68
Jun 2024
#61
Your blithe statement regarding "The tragedy that has beset some 30,000 Gazans" is shockingly callous. That figure
Martin68
Jun 2024
#72
I disagree with your contention that "Netanyahu has no need to reveal plans for the post war." The US is supplying
Martin68
Jun 2024
#175
So what is the Israeli governments estimate? Is it within acceptable parameters for the killing of innocent civilians
Martin68
Jun 2024
#240
You are saying Israel is complicit in Hamas' plan to cause Palestinian civilian deaths to get international sympathy.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#282
Your mental gymnastics are ridiculous. Israel is trying to wipe out as many terrorists as possible.
oldsoftie
Jun 2024
#298
It's only BS if there is no base for a charge of callousness. Some posts here demonstrate a total lack of empathy for
Martin68
Jun 2024
#179
How many posts have you seen showing empathy for the civilians killed on Oct 7, by the posters
yagotme
Jun 2024
#224
And this right here is why it's not possible to have a serious, nuanced conversation about these issues at DU.
ShazzieB
Jun 2024
#184
What we are, is realistic. Hamas stated goal is the TOTAL destruction of Israel
oldsoftie
Jun 2024
#215
Granted, the stated goal of Hamas is the total destruction of Israel. Granted, Hamas is an evil terrorist organization.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#237
No, Israel should not to be content. Israel should work towards a two-state solution, which Netanyahu has abandoned.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#305
Give me one example of disinformation I posted. Otherwise, stop posting here.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#238
Many of those civilians supported Hamas's actions. If they supported it, they are not collateral damage. Guilty.
Lucky Luciano
Jun 2024
#173
So are you going to undertake a survey to prove that every family killed in their apartments, and every man, woman, and
Martin68
Jun 2024
#241
Fire bombing raids killed as many if not more civilians than the nuclear bombs. We could have fire-bombed every Japanese
Martin68
Jun 2024
#285
Not exactly that at all...but if you go after Hamas directly and their sympathizers perish in the process then...
Lucky Luciano
Jun 2024
#288
Ask the Armenians how they were forced out of Nagorno-Karabakh, and it wasn't even a fair fight!
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#201
They used the word "genocide" like a fucking cudgel in discussions that should be more fucking nuanced and delicate.
SoFlaBro
Jun 2024
#262
The use of the word genocide an exaggeration? How would you distinguish genocide from what Israel is doing to the
Martin68
Jun 2024
#283
It's troubling how the outrageousness of Nazi extremes has redefined an important term.
jaxexpat
Jun 2024
#36
37,000 deaths in a densely populated urban area due to bombing and rocket attacks is not simple murder.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#50
You're right, that's incredibly restrained warfare. We should applaud Israel for their consideration and humanity. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#52
Anyone who would consider that "humanitarian" is beyond the pale of civilized discourse.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#58
See, that? That statement? I agree with that. We're not the World Police.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#114
Ah yes, Orwell, where the duly elected government propped up terrorist acts to support genocide.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#117
The "Point" is that the "Bad Guys" manipulate language, change definitions and use words as weapons.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#248
Holy shit, are you kidding me? An active and willing agent of Hamas? XD
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#260
I will be communicating with my Hamas handler this evening for further instructions.
AloeVera
Jun 2024
#269
Is that like when somebody "explains" how Hamas did not break the November ceasefire
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#275
Wow ... what? The following is your *explanation* of the reason why Hamas broke the ceasefire:
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#287
In every single instance, they were moved away from Hamas military targets, into areas free of those targets.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#139
I have seen more than enough ugly photographs of the death and destruction raining on Gaza.
Martin68
Jun 2024
#239
"Dear?" Does insulting me bolster your argument? Have I indicated I'm uncomfortable with disagreement?
Martin68
Jun 2024
#286
ShazzieB., you obviously flew off the handle without a clue who you were responding to or who you were
Martin68
Jun 2024
#313
Nothing justifies the extreme stupidity and ignorance it would take to think Hamas leaders are just like Mandela.
tritsofme
Jun 2024
#164
Critics should focus on Netenyahu's subservience to narrow ultra-Orthodox and settler interests.
sop
Jun 2024
#25
So it's okay to bring up genocide if we acknowledge the brutal murder of Israelis by Hamas?
Martin68
Jun 2024
#56
Goddamn, that's egregious. Forgot how bad it was. Like the Brick post from 2016. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#104
Densely urban areas occupied by hundreds of thousands of civilians are almost always the same ethnicity.
LeftInTX
Jun 2024
#123
Pointing out that genocide has a definition and Israel isn't doing it results in an instant YER RACIST response.
betsuni
Jun 2024
#76
Can't say what I want, Betsuni. Alerts are flying and I know I'm treading the line.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#85
No. It was airstrikes, helicopters and quadcopter drones that did the killing.
AloeVera
Jun 2024
#308
Keep seeing claims DUers are heartless callous ghouls without empathy who think Palestinians aren't people
betsuni
Jun 2024
#212
Wow, this is the same thing as saying "all lives matter" in a Black Lives Matter thread.
elias7
Jun 2024
#203
I have seen a smaller basket of rings in person at the Museum of Tolerance in LA
onecaliberal
Jun 2024
#8
So the only way to eliminate the Hamas threat is to eliminate every Palestinian they could be hiding behind.
TheRickles
Jun 2024
#30
If Palestinian "civilians" are taking and holding hostages? They're Hamas. Yes, eliminate them.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#31
A war in which all civilians are expressly targeted? Where's the precedent for that? Geneva Convention, etc.
TheRickles
Jun 2024
#32
Civilians holding hostages are not civilians, they're enemy combatants, via the Geneva Convention.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#33
So basically every living person in Gaza is fair game, as they may possibly be holding hostages.
TheRickles
Jun 2024
#47
If they're holding hostages, as the US and Israel knew, yes, they're fair game.
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#51
And if you don't know for sure whether or not they're holding hostages, then just to be on the safe side...
TheRickles
Jun 2024
#99
If they jump in front of bullets for their lords and masters? Yes, wipe them out. Glad we agree. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#100
If they cheered for the events of Oct 7 in any way, then yes...definitely wipe them out.
Lucky Luciano
Jun 2024
#174
Fun Fact: That's what happened during the Black Plague and we're all here because of it
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#80
If Israel is "expressly targeting" "all civilians", they're really doing a crappy job.
yagotme
Jun 2024
#227
Somehow ignored is the very important detail that warning civilians before military attacks so they can evacuate
betsuni
Jun 2024
#49
There was no cease-fire before Oct. 7th. Invading "settlers" were still killing Palestinians in the West Bank. nt
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#65
Genocide looks like a lot of different things. This representation is certainly a devastating one.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jun 2024
#12
The war began long before Oct 7th. There was no actual cease-fire in place before Oct. 7. Hundreds of
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#55
Not at all. I am saying that the attack on Israeli citizens at the music festival did not come under an actual cease-
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#70
Invading "settlers" did not adhere to the same 'cease-fire' that HRC is referring.
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#89
One was a government-sponsored terrorist operation. The other was independent Jews. Easy distinction. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#92
Not to those who know any remedial level of history or the English language. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#111
There is only one definition of genocide. And it is not yours or mine, or anyone else's.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#146
Israel and the IDF were ROUNDING UP Gazans by bombing out their homes and businesses. Then Gazans were forced to Rafah
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#69
Its because the intention of the post is to undermine the gravity and legitimacy of other genocides.
Sky Jewels
Jun 2024
#44
Just because this particular genocide is not convenient for your agenda does not mean it's not genocide.
Sky Jewels
Jun 2024
#223
Israel 'undoubtedly' committing genocide says Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg
Passages
Jun 2024
#235
I think the Israeli government and IDF are going way too far in their response to Hamas' attack.
cab67
Jun 2024
#43
The Palestinians, once they figure out who represents them, are better off taking cues from Anwar Sadat
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#294
Horrible, inhumane, cruel, insane, pure hate, criminal, bigoted and unjust. Let's not let it happen again. nt
TeamProg
Jun 2024
#45
Agreed. Exterminate Hamas now and forever. You and that other one are on a roll! Finally on the right side. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#46
With every available and legal weapon, intelligence source and means, with extreme prejudice. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#246
I can only imagine what my father (WW 2 and Korean War veteran) would say.
Tetrachloride
Jun 2024
#53
Be careful. Being openly genocidal against Jews is considered being a freedom fighter akin to Mandela to some. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Jun 2024
#93
We can never allow this again. Fuck nazis, fascists and white supremacist scumbags.
Initech
Jun 2024
#119
Okay, when did that happen? Proportions is not a number you or anyone considers too high
TheKentuckian
Jun 2024
#306
If you read what I wrote you will realize you are trying to place what I wrote
Model35mech
Jun 2024
#315
I hope you realize that thousands of rings only represents the MARRIED deaths.
yagotme
Jun 2024
#307
The cost of modern warfare is increased civilian deaths. How many are acceptable? How many needed for genocide?
andym
Jun 2024
#140
You didn't mention the collection of gold dental fillings, caps, and dentures extracted from victims' mouths...
surfered
Jun 2024
#149
Not a criticism of your good post, just more evidence of the horrible, horrible cruelty
surfered
Jun 2024
#155
My father in law's first wife. My mother in law's parents and sister. On edit after reading the thread...
Hekate
Jun 2024
#153
His government is a big reason for this mess, I don't care what anyone here says
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#199
I'm sorry, did the ICC not put arrest warrants for Hamas leaders or am I missing something?
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#289
I highly doubt that all the members of Hamas, including their leaders, are in Palestine
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#317
Which is why I think getting rid of Hamas is not going to be as easy as it seems
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#321
So I guess then the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, and others aren't called that by your definition
tornado34jh
Jun 2024
#292