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lapucelle

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299. Sorry, but the analogy is relevant to Gaza.

Tue Jun 11, 2024, 06:46 AM

Jun 2024

To begin with there is no Israeli military rule in Gaza. The people of Gaza elected their government in 2007. Gazans wear the yoke of the elected theocratic autocrats who subjugated them: Hamas. Israel does not deprive Gazans of "basic human rights and self-determination". Hamas does.

Secondly, Gaza and the West Bank have received more than $40,000,000,000 in foreign aid since 1993.

Thirdly, as long as UNRWA continues milking the cash cow that the perpetual, inherited "refugee" status of Palestinians affords them, Palestinian reintegration into the world is all but impossible. For example, L.A. born multimillionaire supermodel Gigi Hadid inherited her "Palestinian refugee" status from her father. "Refugee status" is a self-perpetuated state by design.

The very fact that you claim that Palestinians might accept peace for land is extremely telling. Palestinians have been offered their own state multiple times since 1947. They always say "no" because they do not want "land", and they do not want peace. They want the elimination of Israel.

And that is not going to happen.

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Genocide? This is in fact what genocide looks like: [View all] PCIntern Jun 2024 OP

Co-opting the word genocide ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #1

37,000 Palestinians and 1,478 Israel's have died. That imbalance could be construed by many rational people to amount Martin68 Jun 2024 #48

Eye for an eye is justice, not war Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #57

Hamas chose to fight a war. Israeli is killing and maiming a hundred thousand civilians. "Collateral damage?" Martin68 Jun 2024 #61

When compared to other urban warfare, Gaza is a fucking miracle Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #68

Your blithe statement regarding "The tragedy that has beset some 30,000 Gazans" is shockingly callous. That figure Martin68 Jun 2024 #72

TRUTH! AloeVera Jun 2024 #74

Deaths are a clear hard data point Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #122

I disagree with your contention that "Netanyahu has no need to reveal plans for the post war." The US is supplying Martin68 Jun 2024 #175

Death tolls are also controlled by Hamas; no independent verification. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #216

So what is the Israeli governments estimate? Is it within acceptable parameters for the killing of innocent civilians Martin68 Jun 2024 #240

Hamas shouldn't have started all this shit. The blame lies with them. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #277

You are saying Israel is complicit in Hamas' plan to cause Palestinian civilian deaths to get international sympathy. Martin68 Jun 2024 #282

Your mental gymnastics are ridiculous. Israel is trying to wipe out as many terrorists as possible. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #298

So many callous folks here at DU, very saddening. ExciteBike66 Jun 2024 #168

That's BS, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #170

It's only BS if there is no base for a charge of callousness. Some posts here demonstrate a total lack of empathy for Martin68 Jun 2024 #179

How many posts have you seen showing empathy for the civilians killed on Oct 7, by the posters yagotme Jun 2024 #224

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #236

This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Jun 2024 #191

And this right here is why it's not possible to have a serious, nuanced conversation about these issues at DU. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #184

What we are, is realistic. Hamas stated goal is the TOTAL destruction of Israel oldsoftie Jun 2024 #215

Granted, the stated goal of Hamas is the total destruction of Israel. Granted, Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. Martin68 Jun 2024 #237

So Israel should just be content edisdead Jun 2024 #290

No, Israel should not to be content. Israel should work towards a two-state solution, which Netanyahu has abandoned. Martin68 Jun 2024 #305

It's the coalition of orgs against Israel manicdem Jun 2024 #296

You are supporting the disinformation campaign of a terrorist organization. wnylib Jun 2024 #230

Give me one example of disinformation I posted. Otherwise, stop posting here. Martin68 Jun 2024 #238

Genocide enid602 Jun 2024 #116

I am no one's "daddy issues" Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #118

Many of those civilians supported Hamas's actions. If they supported it, they are not collateral damage. Guilty. Lucky Luciano Jun 2024 #173

Many Palestinians did not support Hamas's actions. Bluepinky Jun 2024 #205

70% of Gazans supported the attacks of October. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #217

"Deserve". yagotme Jun 2024 #225

I read it, sounds like lack of empathy to me. Bluepinky Jun 2024 #245

"Deserve" and "I don't care" are different things. yagotme Jun 2024 #247

Obviously, they're spelled differently. Bluepinky Jun 2024 #249

Lead and lead are spelled the same. yagotme Jun 2024 #251

I choose not to argue about something silly. Have a good one. Bluepinky Jun 2024 #252

Choosing not to argue about something silly, yagotme Jun 2024 #253

Children under 21 manicdem Jun 2024 #297

That part of the world, you can probably lower that age even more. yagotme Jun 2024 #301

So are you going to undertake a survey to prove that every family killed in their apartments, and every man, woman, and Martin68 Jun 2024 #241

The US only had two nuclear weapons at the time. Progressive dog Jun 2024 #276

Fire bombing raids killed as many if not more civilians than the nuclear bombs. We could have fire-bombed every Japanese Martin68 Jun 2024 #285

Obviously the US did achieve the surrender of Japan Progressive dog Jun 2024 #303

Not exactly that at all...but if you go after Hamas directly and their sympathizers perish in the process then... Lucky Luciano Jun 2024 #288

Collateral damage. Straw Man Jun 2024 #198

I'm curious....what were the "...other means..." available to them? Dan Jun 2024 #109

Oslo Process, to start Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #125

Ask the Armenians how they were forced out of Nagorno-Karabakh, and it wasn't even a fair fight! tornado34jh Jun 2024 #201

You are using the word genocide rather loosely wnylib Jun 2024 #231

There is a thing called cultural genocide tornado34jh Jun 2024 #270

Maybe you could ask Sandrine Irankunda rpannier Jun 2024 #211

Those rational people would also have to be ignorant. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #136

Good point. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #186

They used the word "genocide" like a fucking cudgel in discussions that should be more fucking nuanced and delicate. SoFlaBro Jun 2024 #262

Thats because Hamas chooses to hide and attack from the midst of civilians. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #214

+1 betsuni Jun 2024 #219

Rubbish. It's a guerrilla war in an urban setting. wnylib Jun 2024 #220

What would be rational about that? TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #291

The use of the word genocide an exaggeration? How would you distinguish genocide from what Israel is doing to the Martin68 Jun 2024 #283

So African lives don't matter? Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #2

Said nobody at all here Ontheboundry Jun 2024 #3

Absolutely the implication of the op. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #4

It absolutely was not the 'implication' of the OP, PCIntern. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #9

Nonsense. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #11

The UN addressed actual genocide long ago. murielm99 Jun 2024 #16

It's troubling how the outrageousness of Nazi extremes has redefined an important term. jaxexpat Jun 2024 #36

"People of that era had no qualms" about using the term "genocide"? thucythucy Jun 2024 #63

I jumped the gun, but not a shark, exactly: jaxexpat Jun 2024 #95

I thought as much. thucythucy Jun 2024 #105

37,000 deaths in a densely populated urban area due to bombing and rocket attacks is not simple murder. Martin68 Jun 2024 #50

You're right, that's incredibly restrained warfare. We should applaud Israel for their consideration and humanity. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #52

Anyone who would consider that "humanitarian" is beyond the pale of civilized discourse. Martin68 Jun 2024 #58

No. That's war. Deal with it. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #67

Interesting post... well, it may be war Dan Jun 2024 #112

See, that? That statement? I agree with that. We're not the World Police. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #114

Welcome to the Orwellian world of gaslighting and doublespeak. AloeVera Jun 2024 #115

Ah yes, Orwell, where the duly elected government propped up terrorist acts to support genocide. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #117

I think you missed the point of that book. AloeVera Jun 2024 #129

The "Point" is that the "Bad Guys" manipulate language, change definitions and use words as weapons. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #248

Indeed. Let's see how it works from a different angle. AloeVera Jun 2024 #256

"hasbara agents" really letting the veil slip here, aren't we? tritsofme Jun 2024 #258

Holy shit, are you kidding me? An active and willing agent of Hamas? XD Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #260

I will be communicating with my Hamas handler this evening for further instructions. AloeVera Jun 2024 #269

Isn't hasbara just "explanation"? AloeVera Jun 2024 #267

Is that like when somebody "explains" how Hamas did not break the November ceasefire lapucelle Jun 2024 #275

Wow. AloeVera Jun 2024 #279

Wow ... what? The following is your *explanation* of the reason why Hamas broke the ceasefire: lapucelle Jun 2024 #287

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #259

Discussion over. AloeVera Jun 2024 #268

Well said PatSeg Jun 2024 #263

The argument is overwrought at the very best and more like ridiculous TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #293

In every single instance, they were moved away from Hamas military targets, into areas free of those targets. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #139

"Consideration and humanity"? choie Jun 2024 #134

Oh, boy! ShazzieB Jun 2024 #190

I have seen more than enough ugly photographs of the death and destruction raining on Gaza. Martin68 Jun 2024 #239

We've all see the ugly photos, dear. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #261

"Dear?" Does insulting me bolster your argument? Have I indicated I'm uncomfortable with disagreement? Martin68 Jun 2024 #286

Perhaps I should have made my comments more specific. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #309

+1 betsuni Jun 2024 #310

Thanks! ShazzieB Jun 2024 #311

ShazzieB., you obviously flew off the handle without a clue who you were responding to or who you were Martin68 Jun 2024 #313

Actually, the post you originally responded to was directed to someone else. ShazzieB Jun 2024 #316

Then call me obscene and perverse. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #264

dangggggg...... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #13

How? betsuni Jun 2024 #40

Where do you see this? Ontheboundry Jun 2024 #124

We Africans were denied our wedding rings malaise Jun 2024 #113

I'm Jewish and completely agree with you Malaise. choie Jun 2024 #135

Thank you malaise Jun 2024 #143

My great-grandmother. AloeVera Jun 2024 #156

Slavery and genocide are both crimes against humanity. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #141

I don't need to look up anything malaise Jun 2024 #142

Ah yes, the answer of those that are defeated. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #144

Maybe you don't need to, but it wouldn't hurt. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #148

ROFL malaise Jun 2024 #157

Is that the best you got? MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #161

Nothing justifies the extreme stupidity and ignorance it would take to think Hamas leaders are just like Mandela. tritsofme Jun 2024 #164

Which country in Africa? JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #265

Where in the OP was that said? sheshe2 Jun 2024 #5

It's implied Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #6

I don't really agree ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #14

I'd argue, again, that that cheapens the term. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #15

Again Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #17

Critics should focus on Netenyahu's subservience to narrow ultra-Orthodox and settler interests. sop Jun 2024 #25

Shutting down discussion Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #29

And conversely... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #34

Agree Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #37

Absolutely. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #38

That goes on here too. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #59

So it's okay to bring up genocide if we acknowledge the brutal murder of Israelis by Hamas? Martin68 Jun 2024 #56

Speaking for myself... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #75

Also... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #77

To find mentioned post... revmclaren Jun 2024 #101

Goddamn, that's egregious. Forgot how bad it was. Like the Brick post from 2016. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #104

Densely urban areas occupied by hundreds of thousands of civilians are almost always the same ethnicity. LeftInTX Jun 2024 #123

No, an amendment citing an aspect of reality is not a license TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #304

I think people are trying to shut down discussion alright... Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #110

sigh... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #121

That's exactly what I've seen happening, yup. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #167

Nope FBaggins Jun 2024 #84

Pointing out that genocide has a definition and Israel isn't doing it results in an instant YER RACIST response. betsuni Jun 2024 #76

Be specific! Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #79

Yes, it's Jewish genocide that's triggering. betsuni Jun 2024 #83

Can't say what I want, Betsuni. Alerts are flying and I know I'm treading the line. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #85

There are no pics of those genocides that can tell the same story FBaggins Jun 2024 #91

IKR 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ sheshe2 Jun 2024 #82

Why.. never mind ismnotwasm Jun 2024 #7

No, the point is that slaughtering 1000s of Palestinians ain't so bad Bucky Jun 2024 #10

Tragedy is not the same as genocide Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #62

"Tragedy" sounds like a natural disaster, not mass slaughter of civilians Bucky Jun 2024 #271

Mass slaughter is exaggeration Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #278

No. It was airstrikes, helicopters and quadcopter drones that did the killing. AloeVera Jun 2024 #308

I'm.not fan of the state of Israel (or a hater fwiw) Ontheboundry Jun 2024 #126

I didn't know about Oct 7th being a "slap in the face" Bucky Jun 2024 #273

FYI, Hamas counts their militants in the 30,000 number. yagotme Jun 2024 #302

Mostly, the point is that Bettie Jun 2024 #19

And, especially, Palestinian lives don't matter Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #22

They do matter, which is why Sinwar must surrender Bad Thoughts Jun 2024 #64

Our valiant slayer of straw men! Thank you for your service! tritsofme Jun 2024 #150

Said no DUer ever Hekate Jun 2024 #154

Keep seeing claims DUers are heartless callous ghouls without empathy who think Palestinians aren't people betsuni Jun 2024 #212

What are you talking about? mcar Jun 2024 #181

Wow, this is the same thing as saying "all lives matter" in a Black Lives Matter thread. elias7 Jun 2024 #203

Yes it is. betsuni Jun 2024 #204

A common theme ANYTIME anti-Semitism is mentioned! Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #209

We don't matter malaise Jun 2024 #266

I have seen a smaller basket of rings in person at the Museum of Tolerance in LA onecaliberal Jun 2024 #8

That's what war is. PCIntern Jun 2024 #18

You're giving a false choice. Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #24

Uh-huh..."clearly" PCIntern Jun 2024 #27

So the only way to eliminate the Hamas threat is to eliminate every Palestinian they could be hiding behind. TheRickles Jun 2024 #30

If Palestinian "civilians" are taking and holding hostages? They're Hamas. Yes, eliminate them. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #31

A war in which all civilians are expressly targeted? Where's the precedent for that? Geneva Convention, etc. TheRickles Jun 2024 #32

Civilians holding hostages are not civilians, they're enemy combatants, via the Geneva Convention. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #33

So basically every living person in Gaza is fair game, as they may possibly be holding hostages. TheRickles Jun 2024 #47

If they're holding hostages, as the US and Israel knew, yes, they're fair game. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #51

And if you don't know for sure whether or not they're holding hostages, then just to be on the safe side... TheRickles Jun 2024 #99

If they jump in front of bullets for their lords and masters? Yes, wipe them out. Glad we agree. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #100

If they cheered for the events of Oct 7 in any way, then yes...definitely wipe them out. Lucky Luciano Jun 2024 #174

Yes, one might say it's devilishly clever, no? AloeVera Jun 2024 #73

We must burn this village down to save it. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #78

Fun Fact: That's what happened during the Black Plague and we're all here because of it Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #80

I thought it was Noah's ark that saved us. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #94

Okay, that got me. XD Well done. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #98

No malaise Jun 2024 #165

Yep. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #196

I know that malaise Jun 2024 #221

The intent is to stop the village from burning down another's. TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #320

If Israel is "expressly targeting" "all civilians", they're really doing a crappy job. yagotme Jun 2024 #227

Yes Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #35

Somehow ignored is the very important detail that warning civilians before military attacks so they can evacuate betsuni Jun 2024 #49

Then how did those people die, plus those still under rubble? AloeVera Jun 2024 #151

Hamas is responsible. Period mcar Jun 2024 #182

That's absurd! AloeVera Jun 2024 #187

Hamas declared war on Israel on Oct 7 mcar Jun 2024 #188

They do. And they should be tried and brought to justice. AloeVera Jun 2024 #189

There was no cease-fire before Oct. 7th. Invading "settlers" were still killing Palestinians in the West Bank. nt TeamProg Jun 2024 #65

"No cease fire". yagotme Jun 2024 #228

Terrorist settlers were invading / killing Palestinian farmers. TeamProg Jun 2024 #233

I agree. These "settlers" should be sent/brought back into Israel. nt yagotme Jun 2024 #234

Genocide looks like a lot of different things. This representation is certainly a devastating one. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2024 #12

It should be recognized that . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #20

The war began long before Oct 7th. There was no actual cease-fire in place before Oct. 7. Hundreds of TeamProg Jun 2024 #55

Forgive me for asking . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #66

Not at all. I am saying that the attack on Israeli citizens at the music festival did not come under an actual cease- TeamProg Jun 2024 #70

I do understand that perspetive . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #81

Invading "settlers" did not adhere to the same 'cease-fire' that HRC is referring. TeamProg Jun 2024 #89

One was a government-sponsored terrorist operation. The other was independent Jews. Easy distinction. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #92

Exactly, there was no cease-fire. That has been a lie since Oct. 7th. TeamProg Jun 2024 #96

The very term 'settler' evokes colonial genocide Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #106

Not to those who know any remedial level of history or the English language. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #111

And Israelis were murdered in Hamas terror attacks mcar Jun 2024 #183

Yes, they have been iemanja Jun 2024 #207

Not to mention Hezbollah and Iran ... TBF Jun 2024 #138

Genocide looks like Andy Canuck Jun 2024 #21

The self-centeredness of this post is breathtaking. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #23

No PCIntern Jun 2024 #28

No asm128 Jun 2024 #41

There is only one definition of genocide. And it is not yours or mine, or anyone else's. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #146

Israel and the IDF were ROUNDING UP Gazans by bombing out their homes and businesses. Then Gazans were forced to Rafah TeamProg Jun 2024 #69

I honestly cannot believe the gaslighting mcar Jun 2024 #185

They ARE victims of genocide. Period. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #107

it's part of the sickness Skittles Jun 2024 #197

The mental gymnastics to avoid blaming Hamas is also breathtaking. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #218

There are lots of claudette Jun 2024 #26

Thank you. mjvpi Jun 2024 #128

Basic decent truth MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #131

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #39

Someone doesn't like this post bpj62 Jun 2024 #42

Its because the intention of the post is to undermine the gravity and legitimacy of other genocides. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #44

No PCIntern Jun 2024 #130

Just because this particular genocide is not convenient for your agenda does not mean it's not genocide. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #223

Per the definition you posted, Hamas is guilty of genocide. yagotme Jun 2024 #229

Israel 'undoubtedly' committing genocide says Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg Passages Jun 2024 #235

Except it is obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #243

Wow you beat the hell outta that strawman! AnrothElf Jun 2024 #171

I think the Israeli government and IDF are going way too far in their response to Hamas' attack. cab67 Jun 2024 #43

There is no "not thinking" about it. TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #54

Actually, thinking is involved here. cab67 Jun 2024 #108

It's not a minority, sadly. AloeVera Jun 2024 #137

Intifadas . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #147

Ethnic cleansing, the Nakba... AloeVera Jun 2024 #158

I see . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #160

Nothing makes October 7 acceptable to me. cab67 Jun 2024 #162

Other than the ultra-right wing minority Richard D Jun 2024 #163

I actually have heard Israelis say this. cab67 Jun 2024 #169

It's a complex place . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #178

I've learned this. cab67 Jun 2024 #242

It made it inevitable. AloeVera Jun 2024 #166

Who is not the question I have . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #195

No one has the slightest idea? AloeVera Jun 2024 #281

The Palestinians, once they figure out who represents them, are better off taking cues from Anwar Sadat Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #294

Sorry, but the analogy is relevant to Gaza. lapucelle Jun 2024 #299

Nothing makes claudette Jun 2024 #180

The truth about "The Nakba" Richard D Jun 2024 #272

Horrible, inhumane, cruel, insane, pure hate, criminal, bigoted and unjust. Let's not let it happen again. nt TeamProg Jun 2024 #45

Agreed. Exterminate Hamas now and forever. You and that other one are on a roll! Finally on the right side. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #46

How does Israel exterminate Hamas? obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #244

With every available and legal weapon, intelligence source and means, with extreme prejudice. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #246

I can only imagine what my father (WW 2 and Korean War veteran) would say. Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #53

for some reason... Hieronymus Phact Jun 2024 #60

This seems to upset people sarisataka Jun 2024 #71

This is one image of genocide SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #86

Blame this whole mess on the bible. Arne Jun 2024 #87

Blame it on all religion and the view that any one religion race or ethnicity malaise Jun 2024 #145

+1 Mossfern Jun 2024 #254

Blame it on human beings. shrike3 Jun 2024 #274

You may well be correct malaise Jun 2024 #280

Perhaps. But we are a violent species. Blame it on our genes? shrike3 Jun 2024 #284

Hamas propaganda has made the term "genocide" almost meaningless. nt LexVegas Jun 2024 #88

I'm sure that will be great comfort to the remaining family members of Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #312

Now, one of the most popular appliance brands is Krups. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #90

Be careful. Being openly genocidal against Jews is considered being a freedom fighter akin to Mandela to some. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 2024 #93

And Mandela is a terrorist to others. Marcus IM Jun 2024 #97

See post # 101 revmclaren Jun 2024 #102

The unprecedented horror liberalhistorian Jun 2024 #103

We can never allow this again. Fuck nazis, fascists and white supremacist scumbags. Initech Jun 2024 #119

Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #120

Genocide, no. Ethnic cleansing, maybe. Martin Eden Jun 2024 #127

Thousands of rings is not a required bit of evidence for genocide Model35mech Jun 2024 #132

Okay, when did that happen? Proportions is not a number you or anyone considers too high TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #306

If you read what I wrote you will realize you are trying to place what I wrote Model35mech Jun 2024 #315

I hope you realize that thousands of rings only represents the MARRIED deaths. yagotme Jun 2024 #307

I'm not denying that the Holocaust was a real genocide Model35mech Jun 2024 #314

As the writer, Adam Shatz said in London Review of Books Nanjeanne Jun 2024 #133

The cost of modern warfare is increased civilian deaths. How many are acceptable? How many needed for genocide? andym Jun 2024 #140

You didn't mention the collection of gold dental fillings, caps, and dentures extracted from victims' mouths... surfered Jun 2024 #149

Agreed... PCIntern Jun 2024 #152

Not a criticism of your good post, just more evidence of the horrible, horrible cruelty surfered Jun 2024 #155

Take a screenshot and save it. Go to . PCIntern Jun 2024 #159

Thank you surfered Jun 2024 #192

My father in law's first wife. My mother in law's parents and sister. On edit after reading the thread... Hekate Jun 2024 #153

Hekate, madaboutharry Jun 2024 #193

Have not, but will put it in my list. The precis at Amazon looks excellent. Hekate Jun 2024 #194

Be warned, it is a real page turner. Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #200

My husband recently read Noah Feldman's ... Hekate Jun 2024 #202

I'll have to check that one out (just added it to my wish list)! Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #208

Our side-conversation is making me glad I didn't give up on this thread Hekate Jun 2024 #210

Netanyahu is a war criminal. Period. Buttoneer Jun 2024 #172

His government is a big reason for this mess, I don't care what anyone here says tornado34jh Jun 2024 #199

The reasons though only in part to what you would imply TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #295

Kicking this for truth mcar Jun 2024 #176

The callous responses. Patton French Jun 2024 #177

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2024 #206

So many posts, not so much deep thinking Layzeebeaver Jun 2024 #213

Try to refute this, you fools tornado34jh Jun 2024 #222

See above post #229 nt yagotme Jun 2024 #232

I'm sorry, did the ICC not put arrest warrants for Hamas leaders or am I missing something? tornado34jh Jun 2024 #289

Mid May, "seeking" warrants for Hamas and Israeli leaders. yagotme Jun 2024 #300

I highly doubt that all the members of Hamas, including their leaders, are in Palestine tornado34jh Jun 2024 #317

Of course they're not. yagotme Jun 2024 #319

Which is why I think getting rid of Hamas is not going to be as easy as it seems tornado34jh Jun 2024 #321

Which just applies to war in general. Fucking useless. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #250

So I guess then the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, and others aren't called that by your definition tornado34jh Jun 2024 #292

There are war crimes other than Genocide. Buttoneer Jun 2024 #226

True wryter2000 Jun 2024 #255

I'm watching it now, very good except I don't like the actor playing Hitler. betsuni Jun 2024 #257

Some of the victims' eyeglasses collected at one extermination camp JoseBalow Jun 2024 #318

Best post of the year. Possibly ever. maveric Jun 2024 #322