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In reply to the discussion: Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]AloeVera
(4,266 posts)13. Not so. They were expelled and "cleansed" or fled.
Largely due to violence/massacres, psychological warfare and collapse ofctheir society following attacks on their towns and villages by Zionist and then Israeli forces.
In the 1948 Palestine war more than 700000 Palestinian Arabs about half of Mandatory Palestine's Arab population were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries,[a] and after the establishment of Israel, by its military.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11][12] Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[13][14] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[15]
The precise number of Palestinian refugees, many of whom settled in Palestinian refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute.[16] Around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (half of the Arab total population of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[17][18] About 250000300000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 19471948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the termination of the British Mandate on May 14 1948. The desire to prevent the collapse of the Palestinians and to avoid more refugees were some of the reasons for the entry of the Arab League into the country, which began the 1948 ArabIsraeli War.[19][20]
The causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[21]: 239240 which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[22] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[23] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[24][25] and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.[26][27]
The precise number of Palestinian refugees, many of whom settled in Palestinian refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute.[16] Around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (half of the Arab total population of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[17][18] About 250000300000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 19471948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the termination of the British Mandate on May 14 1948. The desire to prevent the collapse of the Palestinians and to avoid more refugees were some of the reasons for the entry of the Arab League into the country, which began the 1948 ArabIsraeli War.[19][20]
The causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[21]: 239240 which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[22] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[23] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[24][25] and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.[26][27]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
Lots more interesting stuff.
Avi Shlaim is the most "mainstream" of the New Historians, for those who want to delve into the perspective from the "other side" as presented by an Israeli historian.
The denial of the events of the Nakba is largely why the conflict has metastized in the region imo.
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Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]
sarisataka
Jun 2024
OP
I agree, and it was a mistake for the people of gaza to elect them in the first place
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#38
Come on. There hasn't been an election inn15 years. The Gazans didn't elect Hamas to attack on Oct. 7
brush
Jun 2024
#79
Are you actually suggesting that just because there hasn't been an election in 15 years, Gazans don't support Hamas?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#87
Like the Gazans have a choice tothrow off Hamas rule. What about Israel, does it have a choice to throw off warmonger...
brush
Jun 2024
#88
Do you really think Gazans don't support Hamas? Do you think the polls are wrong?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#91
I think the majority of Gazans just want to live in peace, like the majority of Isrealis.
brush
Jun 2024
#92
Gazans were not asked to protest Hamas, they were anonymously asked if they support Hamas
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#93
And yet they're willing to send their boys to die for Hamas and live among Hamas during war.
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#95
What are you talking about? There are 2.3 million Gazans. Hamas forces are maybe 30k.
brush
Jun 2024
#96
Well math is certainly not your strong point. Like I said, 30k Hamas forces is maybe 1 percent...
brush
Jun 2024
#101
Stop the hate. Most people want to live in peace...on both sides. Try it yourself.
brush
Jun 2024
#105
There are 30 some thousand dead in Gaza, 1200 in Israel. Way more victims in the collective punishment inGaza.
brush
Jun 2024
#78
I agree, and that was awful, but how many gazan civilians does that justify killing?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#33
Do you see no difference between an unwilling human shielding an agressor and a willing ally
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#102
The 36,000 civilian deaths reported by Hamas health agency will come back to bite Sinwar in the ass.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#6
I am talking about international courts holding him responsible for the crime of genocide
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#29
Sinwar confessed to his intent to cause all the civilian deaths and to cause them.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#47
Gotcha, if you ask someone to commit a crime, then the person who actually commits it isn't guilty?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#48
What part of "there were lots of Jewish people born in Palestine in 1948" dint you understand?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#61
Why do you think 500,000 Jews felt an urgency to leave Europe between 1930-1948?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#63
I am assuming the "not so" doesn't refer to "The Palestinians who agreed to coexist with Jewish people live in Israel."
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#17
There are 2,100,000 Arab citizens of Israel. They make up more than 20% of the Israeli population.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#18
And Netanyahu says the same thing regarding Hamas. Shame on both of them for their murdering goals.
marble falls
Jun 2024
#52