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yardwork

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15. Your source itself notes that there is disagreement about this.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:51 PM
Jun 2024

This is an extraordinarily complex situation that doesn't lend itself to simplistic answers or accusations of "genocide" or "cleansing."

The fact is that Jews were already being exterminated in the Middle East in 1948, which was one of the reasons for establishing Israel in the first place.

The fact is that many Muslims live peacefully in Israel, citizens of a tiny nation that offers a democracy and human rights in a region that is otherwise noticeably devoid of either.

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Not buying propaganda from either multigraincracker Jun 2024 #1
So you equate Hamas with Israel? PCIntern Jun 2024 #2
I think neither are telling the full truth in this situation sboatcar Jun 2024 #3
Israel is the victim. I'd always take the side of the victim jimfields33 Jun 2024 #5
Gaza is also a victim obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #7
Exactly. multigraincracker Jun 2024 #12
Hamas has victimized the people of Gaza as much as anyone NickB79 Jun 2024 #19
Bingo Cosmocat Jun 2024 #27
And Israel played into it exactly as they saw sboatcar Jun 2024 #32
That's An Odd Statement The Magistrate Jun 2024 #36
I agree, and it was a mistake for the people of gaza to elect them in the first place sboatcar Jun 2024 #38
We Would Seem In Substantial Agreement, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2024 #42
That's the real tragedy here sboatcar Jun 2024 #44
Unfortunately, That Falls Short The Magistrate Jun 2024 #46
No one is calling for it to stop though sboatcar Jun 2024 #49
The attack started the war. What in the world are you speaking to? TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #64
I just wish the leaders in Gaza weren't so keen to sacrifice their people sboatcar Jun 2024 #50
Come on. There hasn't been an election inn15 years. The Gazans didn't elect Hamas to attack on Oct. 7 brush Jun 2024 #79
Are you actually suggesting that just because there hasn't been an election in 15 years, Gazans don't support Hamas? SunSeeker Jun 2024 #87
Like the Gazans have a choice tothrow off Hamas rule. What about Israel, does it have a choice to throw off warmonger... brush Jun 2024 #88
Do you really think Gazans don't support Hamas? Do you think the polls are wrong? SunSeeker Jun 2024 #91
I think the majority of Gazans just want to live in peace, like the majority of Isrealis. brush Jun 2024 #92
Gazans were not asked to protest Hamas, they were anonymously asked if they support Hamas SunSeeker Jun 2024 #93
My answer is the same. IMO you put too much faith in easily manipulated polls. brush Jun 2024 #94
And yet they're willing to send their boys to die for Hamas and live among Hamas during war. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #95
What are you talking about? There are 2.3 million Gazans. Hamas forces are maybe 30k. brush Jun 2024 #96
WTF. We're talking about Hamas supporters, not Hamas forces. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #98
Well math is certainly not your strong point. Like I said, 30k Hamas forces is maybe 1 percent... brush Jun 2024 #101
My math is fine. Making a point is not your strong suit. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #103
Stop the hate. Most people want to live in peace...on both sides. Try it yourself. brush Jun 2024 #105
"Stop the hate. ... Try it yourself" What hate? betsuni Jun 2024 #106
Do you even recognize impartiality when it's right in your face? brush Jun 2024 #107
Israel is ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #83
So that justifies killing so many civilians? sboatcar Jun 2024 #31
There are 30 some thousand dead in Gaza, 1200 in Israel. Way more victims in the collective punishment inGaza. brush Jun 2024 #78
I'll tell you something...you're right PCIntern Jun 2024 #8
Well, you and I both know, it wouldn't have mattered. Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #22
Horrifyingly true. PCIntern Jun 2024 #23
I agree, and that was awful, but how many gazan civilians does that justify killing? sboatcar Jun 2024 #33
Hamas uses Palestinians to shield them. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #51
US enid602 Jun 2024 #77
What kind of shield does Uncle Sam make? Certainly not a human shield. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #84
The best kind of shield enid602 Jun 2024 #97
And You Would Be Dead Wrong The Magistrate Jun 2024 #100
Do you see no difference between an unwilling human shielding an agressor and a willing ally Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #102
'willing ally' enid602 Jun 2024 #104
You must be joking. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #108
One word enid602 Jun 2024 #110
If this is the punchline, I prefer The Aristocrats jokes Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #111
It's A Shame When A Good Python Fan Goes To The Bad, Eh? The Magistrate Jun 2024 #112
Albatross enid602 Jun 2024 #113
I know what an albatross refers to Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #114
Oh, Do, Please, Go On About The U.S. Being Held Captive By Israel The Magistrate Jun 2024 #109
So how many gazans does that justify killing? sboatcar Jun 2024 #40
Your question is a logical fallacy. Mosby Jun 2024 #70
Interesting... Mike Nelson Jun 2024 #4
The 36,000 civilian deaths reported by Hamas health agency will come back to bite Sinwar in the ass. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #6
They probably won't. maxsolomon Jun 2024 #10
I am OK with posthumous condemnation. The sooner the better. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #11
On the contrary FBaggins Jun 2024 #26
I am talking about international courts holding him responsible for the crime of genocide Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #29
Right? Who's more in the wrong here? sboatcar Jun 2024 #34
If I'm not mistaken, Sinwar isn't the one killing thousands of civilians sboatcar Jun 2024 #43
Sinwar confessed to his intent to cause all the civilian deaths and to cause them. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #47
Gotcha, if you ask someone to commit a crime, then the person who actually commits it isn't guilty? sboatcar Jun 2024 #48
No, you didn't get me. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #55
I'm still not sure that killing civilians is justifiable homicide sboatcar Jun 2024 #57
Depends on the circumstances and the law, doesn't it? Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #58
Hamas has committed more than "the initial act". RandomNumbers Jun 2024 #75
Your premise is an insane demand for impunity for TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #76
Wow!!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2024 #80
Thank you. madaboutharry Jun 2024 #86
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2024 #89
The Palestinians who agreed to coexist with Jewish people live in Israel. yardwork Jun 2024 #9
Not so. They were expelled and "cleansed" or fled. AloeVera Jun 2024 #13
Your source itself notes that there is disagreement about this. yardwork Jun 2024 #15
It's not that complex. AloeVera Jun 2024 #20
Tl;dr. You lost me at "natives of the region." Judaism predates Islam. yardwork Jun 2024 #54
You see I knew that word might trigger you in that direction AloeVera Jun 2024 #59
What part of "there were lots of Jewish people born in Palestine in 1948" dint you understand? yardwork Jun 2024 #61
Where did you say that? You did not. AloeVera Jun 2024 #62
Why do you think 500,000 Jews felt an urgency to leave Europe between 1930-1948? yardwork Jun 2024 #63
Immigration? GOOD! Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #65
Exactly. AloeVera Jun 2024 #66
Selective quotes from an early leader proves nothing. Mosby Jun 2024 #72
It's not the whole quote. lapucelle Jun 2024 #82
That's not the whole quote, is it? lapucelle Jun 2024 #74
And approximately 600,000 Jews edhopper Jun 2024 #16
Interesting you mention that. AloeVera Jun 2024 #21
Thank you for this Goddessartist Jun 2024 #28
You're welcome! AloeVera Jun 2024 #30
I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #35
It's real. AloeVera Jun 2024 #39
The post is still up. AloeVera Jun 2024 #45
Anyone Goddessartist Jun 2024 #37
Every time? BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #41
Here is your long awaited response: Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #69
What in the world is your point? They were EXPELLED, for gawd's sake! Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #68
The even by your own definition Jews in the middle east is TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #81
One thing we agree on. AloeVera Jun 2024 #90
I am assuming the "not so" doesn't refer to "The Palestinians who agreed to coexist with Jewish people live in Israel." Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #17
There are 2,100,000 Arab citizens of Israel. They make up more than 20% of the Israeli population. lapucelle Jun 2024 #18
+1 betsuni Jun 2024 #24
These facts simply don't compute for people who believe lies. yardwork Jun 2024 #56
Avi Shlaim is the most biased of the "new historians" Mosby Jun 2024 #73
The most respected from the left is Ilan Pappe. AloeVera Jun 2024 #85
The Wall Street Urinal is not to be believed. spanone Jun 2024 #14
Are the quotes fake? betsuni Jun 2024 #25
Good question .. Cha Jun 2024 #71
And Netanyahu says the same thing regarding Hamas. Shame on both of them for their murdering goals. marble falls Jun 2024 #52
Hamas long game, is a stupid game. Omnipresent Jun 2024 #53
Those of Us Who Said that Hamas Doesn't Give A Hoot Deep State Witch Jun 2024 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Jun 2024 #67
Ah! The old "I meant to keep hitting myself" strategy Generic Brad Jun 2024 #99
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