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In reply to the discussion: Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]AloeVera
(4,283 posts)21. Interesting you mention that.
A very diffent scenario. See One Million Plan, Magic Carpet, aliyah, Zionist national movement.
Of course there was also an element of punishment, or tit for tat. The departure, flight, emigration would not have happened otherwise. Jews had lived in those countries for milennia. In addition, after the Nakba and the creation of Israel, there was suspicion of Jews in Arab countries as a Fifth Column. There was lots of suffering there too, not denying that, especially in countries that confiscated assets. What a terrible thing, to have to leave everything behind and not be allowed to go back, no?
Further, I refer you to this:
The 1948 Palestinian exodus has also drawn comparisons with the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, which involved the departure, flight, migration, and expulsion of 8000001000000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries between 1948 and the 1970s. In three resolutions between 2007 and 2012 (H.Res. 185, S.Res. 85, H.R. 6242), the US Congress called on the Barack Obama administration to "pair any explicit reference to Palestinian refugees with a similar reference to Jewish or other refugee populations".[136][137][138]
Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath has rejected the comparison, arguing that the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are totally different and that any similarity is superficial. Porath says that the immigration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, expelled or not, was from a Jewish-Zionist perspective the fulfilment of "a national dream" and of Israeli national policy in the form of the One Million Plan. He notes the efforts of Israeli agents working in Arab countries, including those of the Jewish Agency in various Arab countries since the 1930s, to assist a Jewish "aliyah". Porath contrasts this with what he calls the "national calamity" and "unending personal tragedies" suffered by the Palestinians that resulted in "the collapse of the Palestinian community, the fragmentation of a people, and the loss of a country that had in the past been mostly Arabic-speaking and Islamic".[139]
Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav has written in an article entitled "Hitching A Ride on the Magic Carpet" published in the Israeli daily Haaretz regarding this issue. "Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[full citation needed] In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee."[140]
Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath has rejected the comparison, arguing that the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are totally different and that any similarity is superficial. Porath says that the immigration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, expelled or not, was from a Jewish-Zionist perspective the fulfilment of "a national dream" and of Israeli national policy in the form of the One Million Plan. He notes the efforts of Israeli agents working in Arab countries, including those of the Jewish Agency in various Arab countries since the 1930s, to assist a Jewish "aliyah". Porath contrasts this with what he calls the "national calamity" and "unending personal tragedies" suffered by the Palestinians that resulted in "the collapse of the Palestinian community, the fragmentation of a people, and the loss of a country that had in the past been mostly Arabic-speaking and Islamic".[139]
Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav has written in an article entitled "Hitching A Ride on the Magic Carpet" published in the Israeli daily Haaretz regarding this issue. "Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[full citation needed] In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee."[140]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
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Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]
sarisataka
Jun 2024
OP
I agree, and it was a mistake for the people of gaza to elect them in the first place
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#38
Come on. There hasn't been an election inn15 years. The Gazans didn't elect Hamas to attack on Oct. 7
brush
Jun 2024
#79
Are you actually suggesting that just because there hasn't been an election in 15 years, Gazans don't support Hamas?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#87
Like the Gazans have a choice tothrow off Hamas rule. What about Israel, does it have a choice to throw off warmonger...
brush
Jun 2024
#88
Do you really think Gazans don't support Hamas? Do you think the polls are wrong?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#91
I think the majority of Gazans just want to live in peace, like the majority of Isrealis.
brush
Jun 2024
#92
Gazans were not asked to protest Hamas, they were anonymously asked if they support Hamas
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#93
And yet they're willing to send their boys to die for Hamas and live among Hamas during war.
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#95
What are you talking about? There are 2.3 million Gazans. Hamas forces are maybe 30k.
brush
Jun 2024
#96
Well math is certainly not your strong point. Like I said, 30k Hamas forces is maybe 1 percent...
brush
Jun 2024
#101
Stop the hate. Most people want to live in peace...on both sides. Try it yourself.
brush
Jun 2024
#105
There are 30 some thousand dead in Gaza, 1200 in Israel. Way more victims in the collective punishment inGaza.
brush
Jun 2024
#78
I agree, and that was awful, but how many gazan civilians does that justify killing?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#33
Do you see no difference between an unwilling human shielding an agressor and a willing ally
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#102
The 36,000 civilian deaths reported by Hamas health agency will come back to bite Sinwar in the ass.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#6
I am talking about international courts holding him responsible for the crime of genocide
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#29
Sinwar confessed to his intent to cause all the civilian deaths and to cause them.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#47
Gotcha, if you ask someone to commit a crime, then the person who actually commits it isn't guilty?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#48
What part of "there were lots of Jewish people born in Palestine in 1948" dint you understand?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#61
Why do you think 500,000 Jews felt an urgency to leave Europe between 1930-1948?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#63
I am assuming the "not so" doesn't refer to "The Palestinians who agreed to coexist with Jewish people live in Israel."
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#17
There are 2,100,000 Arab citizens of Israel. They make up more than 20% of the Israeli population.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#18
And Netanyahu says the same thing regarding Hamas. Shame on both of them for their murdering goals.
marble falls
Jun 2024
#52