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In reply to the discussion: Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]lapucelle
(21,064 posts)82. It's not the whole quote.
The poster left something out. I'm sure it was just an oversight.
I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader, I would never [come to terms with] Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago. What is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?
https://archive.org/details/jewishparadox0000gold/mode/2up?view=theater
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Caveat lector:
Of course there are other problems concerning the quote. The original conversion between Goldman and Ben-Gurion was in Hebrew. Goldman recounted his memory of it decades later to the interviewer, but in French.
The book was originally published in French, and then translated into English for the English speaking market. This is Goldman's account of a conversation that had taken place decades before. The original Hebrew was rendered in French and then translated into English.
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Below is the quote in French from the original publication. Here's the part of what the poster left out:
Nous sommes originaires dIsraël
We are natives of Israel
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Je ne comprends pas ton optimisme », me déclara Ben Gourion. « Pourquoi les Arabes feraient-ils la paix? Si jétais, moi, un leader arabe, jamais je ne signerais avec Israël. Cest normal : nous avons pris leur pays. Certes, Dieu nous la promis, mais en quoi cela peut-il les intéresser ? Notre Dieu nest pas le leur. Nous sommes originaires dIsraël, cest vrai, mais il y a de cela deux mille ans : en quoi cela les concerne-t-il ? Il y a eu lantisémitisme, les nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, mais était-ce leur faute? Ils ne voient quune chose : nous sommes venus et nous avons volé leur pays.
https://www.babelio.com/livres/Goldmann-Le-Paradoxe-juif--Conversations-en-francais-avec-/638161/citations
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Oh, and the poster misspelled the originale title of the book. It's Le Paradoxe juif. French is not everyone's strong suit.
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Hamas leader says 'we have the Israelis right where we want them' in leaked messages, WSJ reports [View all]
sarisataka
Jun 2024
OP
I agree, and it was a mistake for the people of gaza to elect them in the first place
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#38
Come on. There hasn't been an election inn15 years. The Gazans didn't elect Hamas to attack on Oct. 7
brush
Jun 2024
#79
Are you actually suggesting that just because there hasn't been an election in 15 years, Gazans don't support Hamas?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#87
Like the Gazans have a choice tothrow off Hamas rule. What about Israel, does it have a choice to throw off warmonger...
brush
Jun 2024
#88
Do you really think Gazans don't support Hamas? Do you think the polls are wrong?
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#91
I think the majority of Gazans just want to live in peace, like the majority of Isrealis.
brush
Jun 2024
#92
Gazans were not asked to protest Hamas, they were anonymously asked if they support Hamas
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#93
And yet they're willing to send their boys to die for Hamas and live among Hamas during war.
SunSeeker
Jun 2024
#95
What are you talking about? There are 2.3 million Gazans. Hamas forces are maybe 30k.
brush
Jun 2024
#96
Well math is certainly not your strong point. Like I said, 30k Hamas forces is maybe 1 percent...
brush
Jun 2024
#101
Stop the hate. Most people want to live in peace...on both sides. Try it yourself.
brush
Jun 2024
#105
There are 30 some thousand dead in Gaza, 1200 in Israel. Way more victims in the collective punishment inGaza.
brush
Jun 2024
#78
I agree, and that was awful, but how many gazan civilians does that justify killing?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#33
Do you see no difference between an unwilling human shielding an agressor and a willing ally
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#102
The 36,000 civilian deaths reported by Hamas health agency will come back to bite Sinwar in the ass.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#6
I am talking about international courts holding him responsible for the crime of genocide
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#29
Sinwar confessed to his intent to cause all the civilian deaths and to cause them.
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#47
Gotcha, if you ask someone to commit a crime, then the person who actually commits it isn't guilty?
sboatcar
Jun 2024
#48
What part of "there were lots of Jewish people born in Palestine in 1948" dint you understand?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#61
Why do you think 500,000 Jews felt an urgency to leave Europe between 1930-1948?
yardwork
Jun 2024
#63
I am assuming the "not so" doesn't refer to "The Palestinians who agreed to coexist with Jewish people live in Israel."
Beastly Boy
Jun 2024
#17
There are 2,100,000 Arab citizens of Israel. They make up more than 20% of the Israeli population.
lapucelle
Jun 2024
#18
And Netanyahu says the same thing regarding Hamas. Shame on both of them for their murdering goals.
marble falls
Jun 2024
#52