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Mountainguy

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68. Know they are up to something and knowing exactly what that is aren't the same thing

Wed Jun 19, 2024, 12:21 PM

Jun 2024

Intelligence was telling them that Hamas was doing training for a raid. It didn't tell them that was going to happen on Oct 7th or where it would be targeted at.

The article also doesn't consider the amount of intelligence that is constantly coming in that Hamas wants to or is planning some kind of action. Same with 9/11. Knowing somebody wants to attack you doesn't equal letting it happen.

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IDF knew of Hamas's plan to kidnap 250 before October 7 attack - report [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2024 OP

Why am I reminded of 9/11, Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld?! KPN Jun 2024 #1

First thing that crossed my mind. Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #26

Israeli LIHOP. intheflow Jun 2024 #44

Nope. Just huge failure -- failures in both cases; both resulting in catastrophic consequences. KPN Jun 2024 #58

Bibi himself said it: "This was our 9/11" peppertree Jun 2024 #70

So are we blaming Israel for Hamas' atrocities? TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #2

I think we've got two separate issues here iemanja Jun 2024 #6

Yep and wasn't trying to suggest otherwise TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #21

I agree with that. But the OP has the stink of conspiracy theory to it. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #42

Nothing in the OP suggests that. intheflow Jun 2024 #45

I disagree. I've seen far too much of it over the years to not recognize it. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #49

It strikes me as 'Bin Laden determined to strike U.S.' NutmegYankee Jun 2024 #7

Plenty of blame for both the murderous terrorist thugs Hamas & the murderous ultra RW religio-fascist Netanyahu regime. Celerity Jun 2024 #12

Bothsiderism is BS. former9thward Jun 2024 #22

It is not BS when it is true, sorry. I do not play extremist stance games from either side. It takes two to tango, and Celerity Jun 2024 #25

The problem I have with this kinda stuff... Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #43

100% correct obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #51

applying the same logic, anyone who blames Bush, Cheney, Rice, PNAC, etc for ANY part of 9/11 is also bothsides-ing Celerity Jun 2024 #62

I dont know, both sides are killing kids... ExciteBike66 Jun 2024 #38

What Celerity said is not BS at all -- obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #50

Facts Matter HandmaidsTaleUntold Jun 2024 #13

TexasDem you sound a little defensive. I think we're talking about two different issues here. No need to conflate Martin68 Jun 2024 #14

That's a weird take and completely opposite of what I posted TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #20

You do know, don't you, that Netnayahu's trial has been going on during the war? former9thward Jun 2024 #23

There was a huge intelligence failure on the part of Mossad and the CIA. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #19

I disagree in half. The blame goes to Mossad in terms of operational awareness. Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #54

Well vote also for the Netanyahu/Likud admin and top IDF heads ignoring warnings they got of... brush Jun 2024 #30

Weird that Neutanyu gets the info from Egypt & other countries womanofthehills Jun 2024 #66

Enough civilians have died over this dickthegrouch Jun 2024 #3

Hamas can surrender the instigators TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #4

Opinion piece, very sad TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #5

Do we know . . . Richard D Jun 2024 #8

So, LIHOP? Wednesdays Jun 2024 #9

Do you believe that CT about 9/11? former9thward Jun 2024 #24

Not talking about 9/11. Just the OP here. nt Wednesdays Jun 2024 #28

Where did the poster mention 9/11? obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #53

I know what I think... ananda Jun 2024 #10

Sounds like the US on 9/11. Martin68 Jun 2024 #11

Not at all.. whathehell Jun 2024 #34

We had enough information to investigate and get full information. Multiple intercepts and warnings were ignored. Martin68 Jun 2024 #48

No, sorry.. whathehell Jun 2024 #65

Sorry, I did not say the US was in receipt of detailed information. I said the US didn't follow up multiple Martin68 Jun 2024 #67

Right, but my point is that whathehell Jun 2024 #71

Something tells me Zeitghost Jun 2024 #15

That's something that's bugged me about the "Netanyahu aided Hamas" meme AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2024 #29

Very good point Zeitghost Jun 2024 #33

Oh, please, no one is saying anything about preemptive action... brush Jun 2024 #32

Like, build a wall, to make an "open air prison? nt yagotme Jun 2024 #41

It's already an open-air prison...nearly flattened and full of rubble. brush Jun 2024 #63

Oh please.. whathehell Jun 2024 #35

That's what I said. And of course no demonizing of either side. brush Jun 2024 #36

Yes whathehell Jun 2024 #37

Victim blaming Zeitghost Jun 2024 #39

Victim denying whathehell Jun 2024 #40

Of course they would have. It's not about Gaza, it's about hating Jews. BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #61

The gist of this story was known in October 2023 in published reports Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #16

Good OPSEC Deep State Witch Jun 2024 #56

indeed. and stay underground Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #57

It would have been virtually impossible... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #17

I have always believed it was wag the dog...Netanyahu wanted to remain in power and he wants to annex Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #47

Bibi Should Fry For This If Buried This HandmaidsTaleUntold Jun 2024 #18

Not to forget... moondust Jun 2024 #27

Our warnings on Hamas were ignored, Israel's women border troops say (article from November 2023) Celerity Jun 2024 #31

This is worse then 9-11 because Bush didn't believe warnings but Netanyahu knew. it was wag the dog. He needs to Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #46

I remember reading that the IDF blew off the report Deep State Witch Jun 2024 #52

Moreover, there are reports that Egypt warned Israel. Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #55

I think Rebl2 Jun 2024 #59

Bibi wanted to use Hamas to divert attention from West Bank settlements and other issues LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #60

Sounds like this is Bibi's stay out of jail plan Hassler Jun 2024 #64

Know they are up to something and knowing exactly what that is aren't the same thing Mountainguy Jun 2024 #68

September 19th would be exactly two weeks after Netanyahu's long time family friend invested Saudi money Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #69