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307. That's bringing back a bad memory: freshman year, rugby party.

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:37 AM

Nov 2012

The house was pulsing, thick with smoke, alcohol flowing. I felt that "sexual aggressiveness" and my friends and I, despite being bombed out of our minds, made the decision to leave. Later, we learned that a passed-out "Rugby Queen" was repeatedly raped in one of the bedrooms -- "crowned" as it was referred to. That poor girl dropped out of school, and I don't remember hearing anything about what happened to the sick fucks who raped her.

To any young-uns reading this, what the OP describes WAS NOT THE NORM. And attributing it to "the '70s" is a weak excuse for his despicable behavior. Drugs and alcohol were abundant throughout my high school and university years (with non-stop partying at beach houses). When someone passed out, they were carried to a spare bed, or tucked away in a corner with a blanket or jacket over them. They were not raped. Jesus, after reading this OP, I thank GOD for the decent guys who hung out with us -- from "strangers" to close friends.

The OP's little swipe at "Progressives" in post #11 speaks volumes. It's all bullshit, other than "yes to rape education."

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 OP

Rapist? Maybe... Douchebag... trumad Nov 2012 #1

that's not how I perceive them now NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #9

How you perceive them? Control-Z Nov 2012 #53

Yes. Are you surprised that my perceptions can evolve? NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #144

There are many a chap who haven't evolved, I applaud your evolution and honesty! arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #323

Odd that you feel so ambiguous about it. Bonobo Nov 2012 #61

I asked downthread, and I'd really like to know, what if he'd been the rapee? Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #156

what a profound and important question renate Nov 2012 #169

True Dat. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #167

My vote is on the latter. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #389

This will end well... Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #2

Do you reckon this is going to be enough, or do I need to get another one? Turborama Nov 2012 #20

really? this is that entertaining. something so painful for so many. seabeyond Nov 2012 #23

No. It means I and many others will be reading with interest and not taking part. Turborama Nov 2012 #25

ya. that's it. seabeyond Nov 2012 #29

It is. Turborama Nov 2012 #40

Thank you for saying this! Marrah_G Nov 2012 #3

That is a question which, if one has to ask, one has already answered. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #4

By Progressives at the time! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #11

I'm 50 years old how old are you? former-republican Nov 2012 #16

Yep. Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #35

Agree but the law was still the same as it is now. Nothing has really changed in the wording former-republican Nov 2012 #43

Maybe not in the legal wording, but in the prosecution, much has changed. pnwmom Nov 2012 #157

Actually, where I live the wording to the law has changed. It used to be that verbal refusal of sex arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #332

I am 55. A passed put "chick" was considered NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #59

was it the griup of boys? cause that would be 70's. was it the kids you hung out with? seabeyond Nov 2012 #63

Yes, it was the mid-70's. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #72

No, it wasn't the norm then, either. MineralMan Nov 2012 #233

It definitely was NOT the norm in northern MI, NashvilleLefty. I was born in 1955. catbyte Nov 2012 #292

It might have been the norm for RWers, but on the left we leaned feminist even then. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #392

I did my share of drinking and can say I never did that to a passed out woman. former-republican Nov 2012 #74

You may not have been "cool", Beacool Nov 2012 #119

in the 70's it was almost unheard of. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #124

Well, that's more the shame of society. Beacool Nov 2012 #135

ya. i do not even know if we talked about date rape until like the later 70's, 80's. seabeyond Nov 2012 #140

Bullshit. TeeYiYi Nov 2012 #152

+10000 Tsiyu Nov 2012 #354

Sober up and delete this s hit stir. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #175

Do you read what you write? rateyes Nov 2012 #182

This 55 year old says you are full of shit, trumad Nov 2012 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #242

how do you know. so someone carried them to the room. swept thru the party drunk so and so in seabeyond Nov 2012 #258

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #284

then the opportunity was not there because people took care of the girl. why pretend it doesnt seabeyond Nov 2012 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #291

i am fine with all that. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #298

because YOU hung out with freaks and thugs, sweetiepie. l cali Nov 2012 #294

For those curious as to how your fellow Duer jurors view women: myrna minx Nov 2012 #300

Wow, juror #5 is blaming the victim geardaddy Nov 2012 #319

yippers. i wonder if he too... (yes, may be a she, we do that)... has a past seabeyond Nov 2012 #336

It is true that women didn't get a lot of sympathy decades ago. Chemisse Nov 2012 #337

So, that makes it ok then. geardaddy Nov 2012 #339

Juror number 5 hrmjustin Nov 2012 #375

Now that you've made clear what era it was, you were a rapist. Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #349

I think you are wrong. I did rape awareness on the U of Delaware in the late 70s... Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #88

Seriosously? LOL! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #90

There was a book printed in the late 70s I think LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #115

Are you kidding me? In the late 70s, an underaged woman was raped & killed after leaving a local bar Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #141

I went to bars starting at age 16, and it was the norm adigal Nov 2012 #249

I'm 56 and I knew several girls in college that this happened to Marcia Brady Nov 2012 #228

yup. and there is much in our culture today, that is pushing us back for the girl to stfu. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #232

People call themselves all kinds of things they aren't. Progressive or Liberal, you weren't. patrice Nov 2012 #42

Perhaps I wasn't. But I THOUGHT I was. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #148

Not that it would help the situation... onpatrol98 Nov 2012 #390

people have suggest this. i wouldnt want to hear back from a rapist, decades later. i wonder how seabeyond Nov 2012 #393

You were a sexist pig, and ANYTHING but progressive for it. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #394

No one I know ever considered it acceptable that wasn't also a piece of shit. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #62

Yah, well, I'm 67 years old. MineralMan Nov 2012 #231

I'm an almost 65-year-old Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #310

yup. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #311

I don't find your rationalization that you were young and needed to stick it somewhere as a Democrat 4 Ever Nov 2012 #347

You're a liar. I'm 55 and that sort of thing was as horrifyingly criminal then as it is now. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #391

. former-republican Nov 2012 #5

K&R Odin2005 Nov 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Nov 2012 #7

TY, I will admit that it was hard posting it. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #12

what's brave about it ? JI7 Nov 2012 #18

The poster admits on a message board that he was a rapist. yardwork Nov 2012 #27

i don't see confusion , thank god for the sluts, would he have thought it was ok if it was his JI7 Nov 2012 #33

Obviously he thinks it's wrong now. yardwork Nov 2012 #45

He knew it was wrong at the time he did it.. rateyes Nov 2012 #176

I agree with you. That's why it's important to talk about this. yardwork Nov 2012 #237

He's playing all of us. He only made the OP to get in a jab about how liberals, kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #395

No, you obviously don't understand anything. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #69

Really??? No, REALLY?????? WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #86

and that is my point! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #118

You say you were peer presured into it, and encouraged to do these things... Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #161

You CHOSE to do what you did, you weren't "encouraged" obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #238

I understand what you were saying...I am 51, and the "bad" girls were known to all adigal Nov 2012 #246

My bet is you did the same things Egnever Nov 2012 #367

Like none of us experienced peer pressure. cali Nov 2012 #296

You want a poster to have "walked a mile in your shoes"?! obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #236

You POOR, POOR, man. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #396

The vast majority of men, IME, have that mindset. It's OK for them to treat some woman raccoon Nov 2012 #199

Sorry not buying that bullshit either Egnever Nov 2012 #370

+1...... n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #209

I'm so sorry for what you've suffered thru, darkangel. countryjake Nov 2012 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #224

In the 1939 movie "The Philadelphia Story," it is strongly implied Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #8

Among Philadelphia bourgeois socialites at least. FarCenter Nov 2012 #17

Do you really think that the wealthy behave better than the poor? yardwork Nov 2012 #28

Socioeconomic status, ethnicity, religion, family structure, etc all play a role in sexual attitudes FarCenter Nov 2012 #54

Yes, and as I stated, I've found that the very wealthy are more likely to behave badly. yardwork Nov 2012 #252

Hmmm... I always assumed that in super wealthy families women typically had more "clout". Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #280

assholes and timid comes in all social classes. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #285

I'm not wealthy but I've been around wealthy people most of my life. yardwork Nov 2012 #357

Mine, too Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #266

I agree gollygee Nov 2012 #267

Well, we didn't have that rule NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #22

so you were peer pressured into raping women ? JI7 Nov 2012 #24

well, in a way. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #150

Would it have been less complicated Tsiyu Nov 2012 #358

There's this concept called a "gentleman" Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #275

exactly. and another post that is right on the mark. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #279

I am no gentlemen. But I sure as hell am not a rapist either. n/t ieoeja Nov 2012 #372

+1 Bonobo Nov 2012 #66

In the MOVIES under the new(ish) Hayes Code in 1939, there were rules about that sort of thing. MADem Nov 2012 #116

The Motion Picture Production Code allowed all sorts of implications and in-jokes Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #286

The point of the Motion Picture Code, though, was that "bad things" did not happen, because the MADem Nov 2012 #315

"you were drunk, and there are rules about that sort of thing." dchill Nov 2012 #143

Those rules applied only to men with a strong sense of ethics. pnwmom Nov 2012 #158

The first movie that came to mind when I read this was "Animal House" in '78 deutsey Nov 2012 #218

exactly. i was feeling that reading it also. and yes, that scene was one people were suppose to seabeyond Nov 2012 #221

He gives a sly look to the camera and leans toward the woman as the scene fades out arcane1 Nov 2012 #320

There's no doubt he has sex with her later after he learns she's 13 deutsey Nov 2012 #322

Well Lasher Nov 2012 #10

the girls were passed out and that was cool for you? and people are thanking you seabeyond Nov 2012 #13

No, it was totally wrong. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #30

it was not socially justified. It was illegal. rateyes Nov 2012 #191

In my college says, lots of frat boys were famous for it. Bonobo Nov 2012 #68

sigh... you and i are gonna bond on this one, arent we. seabeyond Nov 2012 #73

It is crowd psychology as has no morality. Bonobo Nov 2012 #78

yes. exactly. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #80

I never encountered any frat boys LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #79

Yeah, I know that. But it thrives more easily in a tight-knit group. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #82

I do rather loath frat boys. white_wolf Nov 2012 #147

you made me laugh. seabeyond Nov 2012 #149

At my college (in the late 80s) gollygee Nov 2012 #227

Because frat rats were immune from prosecution. ieoeja Nov 2012 #374

Wow, I appreciate your humble cilla4progress Nov 2012 #14

true all that. that was my time. early 80's. but passed out girls? seabeyond Nov 2012 #37

Y'know I was not aware of date rape drugs cilla4progress Nov 2012 #60

again, i was right in the time where date rape drug comes out and gals werent informed. aids and we seabeyond Nov 2012 #75

Well it's a bit different when you actually give consent. WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #96

Yes, I agree, cilla4progress Nov 2012 #288

You needed education to know not to fuck people who were in no condition to consent? LeftyMom Nov 2012 #15

When you put it that way NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #49

I think that is the most screwed-up definition of "Red Blooded American Male" I've ever heard. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #120

You were raised to be a rapist? UtahLib Nov 2012 #138

I grew up at the same time as you, and rateyes Nov 2012 #179

No. A "red-blooded American Male" would have pulled MineralMan Nov 2012 #241

See my post #275 Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #276

Forgive me, but that's a load of crap Orrex Nov 2012 #303

I knew that there were peer groups that enabled this sort of thinking seabeyond Nov 2012 #305

I agree 100% obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #51

+1000 n/t geardaddy Nov 2012 #328

yes nt Incitatus Nov 2012 #19

huge mistake on my part. using fire in bed. heavy OP. thinking as i was reading.... my bad. seabeyond Nov 2012 #41

I think they were answering the question in the thread title n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #48

oh lordy. thank you. i totally forget the op. i will have to see what the? is. seabeyond Nov 2012 #56

Tablets... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #122

yes. lol. but, for a quick peek seabeyond Nov 2012 #130

Ladyhawk is correct. Incitatus Nov 2012 #52

i see. was i a rapist... sigh. seabeyond Nov 2012 #58

And underage drinking and driving when drunk and partying when one should be studying and not libdem4life Nov 2012 #21

sex with passed out girls is just among the list of yours. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #44

or with passed out boys. Both genders are responsible for their behavior. libdem4life Nov 2012 #94

It has come to this. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #26

are you serious. seabeyond Nov 2012 #47

it absolutely was NOT a norm TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #190

IME it was a norm back then. Yes, it was rape and no it wasn't OK. raccoon Nov 2012 #201

It was only normal for rapists TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #208

No, they didn't obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #239

It was NOT the norm obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #211

i was in bed, reading a little fire, and kinda blown away from the OP. reading down the thread, i seabeyond Nov 2012 #219

Unless you are a sociologist, how can you say what the norm was? rainin Nov 2012 #290

Thanks for your honesty. How many people have you raped? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31

Listen, I understand perfectly what you're saying Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #32

yes it was a much different time. Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #318

Yes, but I do get what you're saying here. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #34

"This isn't a fun conversation, but we need to have it." NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #55

exactly liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #57

I think I was more shocked LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #70

i think it is more that they have to be numb to it, and that is the matter of fact you hear. so seabeyond Nov 2012 #85

Maybe. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #105

ya. but, how many parents had conversation with the kids seabeyond Nov 2012 #117

Exactly, seabeyond. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #126

When I read an article about that going on among 12- and 13-year-olds, Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #302

an empty house was another conversation i had with my boys. not gonna happen seabeyond Nov 2012 #304

Yes, it doesn't matter what we think about it NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #87

So it's all about you, then? flvegan Nov 2012 #36

Sure is all about him, cause if I didn't know any better, WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #93

I hope you and anyone that you were with can heal from this. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #38

I dated a drunk who verbally abused me liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39

acknowleding your candor, you have a lot further to go G_j Nov 2012 #46

Passed out girls? Berserker Nov 2012 #50

Confused and shocked like a lot of others -- downandoutnow Nov 2012 #64

I can't congratulate you FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #65

A dose of reality in just the right amount, agracie Nov 2012 #133

+ Infinity! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Nov 2012 #67

Damn. Double damn. Solly Mack Nov 2012 #71

Also, let's be clear FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #76

^This!^ TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #162

+1 KatyMan Nov 2012 #245

This makes me SOOOO sad that anyone even debates when it's "OK" to have sex and when it's not... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #77

Even drunk girls can do what you described here (nt) AlexSatan Nov 2012 #254

Obviously, no one ever taught you that beating off into another Warpy Nov 2012 #81

You do not have to be taught not to rape if all other things are equal. Bonobo Nov 2012 #83

I've seen young boys who were never taught to respect girls liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #91

Not if they are taught to respect other people. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #98

that's the point liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #99

Yes, to respect people. Bonobo Nov 2012 #106

true. but this is taught to respect because you have all the other social factors that teach seabeyond Nov 2012 #102

Okay, agreed. Bonobo Nov 2012 #112

absolutely. seabeyond Nov 2012 #123

Popular culture doesn't help either. Beacool Nov 2012 #110

And that's why so many of us get raped. Warpy Nov 2012 #111

I can only speak for my role as father of two boys and yes, it is working. Bonobo Nov 2012 #131

Part of being an adult is realizing that not every place has the same Lars39 Nov 2012 #114

This teenaged boy was taught not to rape. MineralMan Nov 2012 #248

I was raped by an ex-boyfriend in HS after I told him I never wanted to see him again. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #84

hrmjustin... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #89

Thank you! It was tough, but I needed to let the pain go. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #92

I am very glad you were able to heal LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #103

your post says it all liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #95

Thank you! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #97

I'm so sorry. Beacool Nov 2012 #101

It was not easy, but I wanted healing. But to this day I still have issues trusting men. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #107

I understand. Beacool Nov 2012 #128

Im sorry Berserker Nov 2012 #109

The pain is hard to deal with. But when I let go I really did let go. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #113

That was very big of you. I hope it helped heal your pain as well. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #139

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #340

Ver sorry to hear that this happened to you. stevenleser Nov 2012 #163

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #341

Hugs to you, hrmjustin. countryjake Nov 2012 #223

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #342

You must be the type of guy my mother always warned me about. Beacool Nov 2012 #100

Yes. You were. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #104

YOU are the guy Fathers tell their Daughters about. You were THEN, and probably are NOW. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #108

Although I agree with the last line. The rest of your statement disgusts me... vaberella Nov 2012 #121

I'm surprised Oilwellian Nov 2012 #125

Only Psychos Think Rape is OK...Right? seabeyond Nov 2012 #127

I took a Human Sexuality class in college. Beacool Nov 2012 #134

yes. i found that study over a year ago. i have recently gone back looking for it seabeyond Nov 2012 #146

I don't remember who conducted the study. Beacool Nov 2012 #259

It seems clear that the great majority of posters in this thread are denying the facts these survey Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #196

point on. if we are not really honest, then it will continue and no resolutions to be had. it is a seabeyond Nov 2012 #214

That kind of supports what the OP was saying about what his attitude was back then loudsue Nov 2012 #379

especially as that is today, as opposed to 3, 4 decades ago. agreed. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #382

and if someone had told you it was bad, you wouldn't have done it? after all, you were a HiPointDem Nov 2012 #129

Did you live in bumfukistan Tennessee then? Egnever Nov 2012 #132

I'm from TN. Please don't compare us with the OP. white_wolf Nov 2012 #137

Hey, Im from Tennessee... rateyes Nov 2012 #192

I am not the one lumping you in with it Egnever Nov 2012 #366

Bumfukistan TN here, in the backwoods Tsiyu Nov 2012 #361

"Seriously, if I didn't get to fuck something I would have gone crazy!" white_wolf Nov 2012 #136

Please answer this as honestly as you can: When you were a teen, if YOU had passed out Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #142

NashvilleLefty appears to be too cowardly to answer this question Tsiyu Nov 2012 #368

I wish you'd have stuck "it" in a light socket. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #145

Hah! n/t Helen Reddy Nov 2012 #262

I'll say it...please, can someone bounce this asshole? flvegan Nov 2012 #151

Amen to that TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #164

thank you obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #212

You were not a rapist. agent46 Nov 2012 #153

Wrong. BZZZZZT! Thanks for playing. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #154

W T F? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #159

He bloody well was a rapist TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #165

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #170

Give me a damned break. He knew what he was doing and rateyes Nov 2012 #174

Did you forget the sarcasm smilie, or rateyes Nov 2012 #180

No, he was a rapist obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #215

Thank you for doing your bit to educate. pnwmom Nov 2012 #155

you had sex with someone who was passed out? brokechris Nov 2012 #160

There is no doubt about it... rateyes Nov 2012 #172

I don't suppose you realize that you are using the same excuses defacto7 Nov 2012 #166

I have a question and you needn't answer if it's too personal... countryjake Nov 2012 #168

I am the same age you are, and rateyes Nov 2012 #171

I don't knee-jerk "hate" you, but it's not my place to forgive (or not). nomorenomore08 Nov 2012 #173

How MANY women did you rape? JustJoe Nov 2012 #177

No? Probably? Could be considered? Qanisqineq Nov 2012 #178

this obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #217

If you feel that bad about it, you should go and confess to law enforcement darkangel218 Nov 2012 #181

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #183

You honestly think the OP didnt know what he was doing was wrong? darkangel218 Nov 2012 #184

He was horny. LAGC Nov 2012 #187

Well, he should go explain that to the cops. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #197

It is pretty sad. LAGC Nov 2012 #204

If he goes and confesses to the police, dont be so sure he wont get prosecuted. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #206

He didnt make a mistake. A mistake is unintentional. rateyes Nov 2012 #186

rape is not a fucking "mistake" TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #194

"At the time, NO? But, in reality, PROBABLY???" rateyes Nov 2012 #185

By your own admission, you are a sex offender. LAGC Nov 2012 #188

Yes, you are a rapist. BainsBane Nov 2012 #189

That's disgusting and it's a shame you weren't prosecuted for it. Appalling. nt TeamsterDem Nov 2012 #193

Creepy and vulgar OP post to no purpose. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #195

It diminishes rape victims obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #220

Noteverybody did it union_maid Nov 2012 #202

Unless you're in your eighties, it certainly wasn't considered acceptable behavior at the time. MadHound Nov 2012 #203

You should have been put in prison then. The Link Nov 2012 #205

Do you understand the times?? Or are you just another judgmental jerk? adigal Nov 2012 #251

They should have been. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #264

Oh horseshit Egnever Nov 2012 #365

Well you display the sense of entitlement behind rape gollygee Nov 2012 #207

At the time, "yes", and in reality, "yes". MadrasT Nov 2012 #210

This OP is just horrible obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #216

We took them home and made sure they were safe. pintobean Nov 2012 #222

Yes, that's what GENTLEMEN did Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #281

Yes. Absolutely. Iggo Nov 2012 #225

I appreciate that you are willing to honestly examine your behavior and thought processes. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #226

you are point on thru out your post. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #229

When I was in college gollygee Nov 2012 #235

That's bringing back a bad memory: freshman year, rugby party. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #307

the moral to this story is we hear the SAME stories today. things are not different. seabeyond Nov 2012 #312

"Rape is rape." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #317

i do. the whole point of all this is when you tell a guy rape is rape, he will probably agree. say seabeyond Nov 2012 #325

I hope that if any attack was in the past 7 years BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #230

This post is like a slap in the face. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #234

you are a creepy weirdo tjwash Nov 2012 #240

This one.. 99Forever Nov 2012 #243

Wtf are you even still here? polly7 Nov 2012 #244

the concept of consensual sex needs to be understood and included in the education. lunatica Nov 2012 #247

sorry but your post is completely creepy WI_DEM Nov 2012 #250

This is similar to how I lost my virginity at college adigal Nov 2012 #253

This makes me so sad FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #271

You are like "everyone else". It's called RAPE culture. ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #255

You have to ask? DiverDave Nov 2012 #256

It's hard for me to psychologically enter into that milieu, but... Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #260

Wow mercuryblues Nov 2012 #263

As someone that lost my virginity to rape in 1972, was raped by my husband and as the mother of a Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #265

My great-grandfather had a unique punishment for rapists- nail their dick to a stump and give them a Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #268

tough topic. Maine-ah Nov 2012 #269

I remember the girl Generic Other Nov 2012 #270

this. everything about it is right. seabeyond Nov 2012 #273

Thank you for being there for Jane. polly7 Nov 2012 #274

Thank you so much. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #277

My heart goes out to Jane gollygee Nov 2012 #278

Excellent post geardaddy Nov 2012 #321

I remember in college, a gang rape accusation at a frat closeupready Nov 2012 #272

Yes NashvilleLefty you are a serial rapist. And of course you are unable Jumping John Nov 2012 #282

Yes, you were a rapist. morningfog Nov 2012 #283

If you would have taken her wallet instead, wendylaroux Nov 2012 #289

Oh wow. Welcome to DU leftstreet Nov 2012 #306

This post is actually more complicated than the OP. white_wolf Nov 2012 #351

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #293

I also support teaching people how to prevent rape.... LynneSin Nov 2012 #295

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #297

As a victim of rape and child molestation... CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #299

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #330

I wish that I could rec this post. Thank you CoffeeCat n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #353

... Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #362

Two suggestions. noamnety Nov 2012 #301

It's HIM that needs education TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #308

+1 deutsey Nov 2012 #329

When you are raised in a culture where x is acceptable, how are you to know otherwise? jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #309

geezus ... get off the fuckin evo psych... hard wired bullshit. so fuckin tired of that garbage. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #313

thank you for your nuanced and thoughtful response jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #327

no. there was not. whne you give men that they are hard wired, i stop reading. it is bullshit in seabeyond Nov 2012 #335

Let me see if I have this striaght jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #348

I am shocked by this OP.. one_voice Nov 2012 #314

This OP is revolting. It WAS rape -and- you ARE a rapist. Barack_America Nov 2012 #316

If this OP isn't pure bullshit and flameware, then I would think it would be coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #324

He was so stricken by his confession and 3 hours of rough responses JustJoe Nov 2012 #331

CoffeeCat upthread (post #299) cuts right through the bullshit coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #334

Yes. Thank you. Assuming his story is true... JustJoe Nov 2012 #338

No shit,he was really broken up about this wasn't he? wendylaroux Nov 2012 #343

Trying to validate the "fiscal cliff," no less. woo me with science Nov 2012 #352

You are a rapist. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #326

It's all about you. I hope the girls you victimized were able to move on. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #333

What if she's drunk but not unconscious? LittleBlue Nov 2012 #344

I've never been popular enough to have those problems jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #355

The hell...? cyberswede Nov 2012 #356

ya. right there with you, lol seabeyond Nov 2012 #359

let me explain LittleBlue Nov 2012 #369

Implied consent = no consent FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #363

+1 Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #378

Yes nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #345

You need to heal as much as does your victim. Festivito Nov 2012 #346

Your OP should have started off with UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #350

The OP is a rapist and a coward. KatyMan Nov 2012 #360

Did you Tallulah Nov 2012 #364

I cannot believe anyone is listening to this crap Rex Nov 2012 #371

Were you a rapist? Hong Kong Cavalier Nov 2012 #373

Peer pressure and horny?? I predicted the "God's will " jerk offs would come out of the woodwork lunasun Nov 2012 #376

Bye now. mahina Nov 2012 #377

Hey everyone. This guy is just yanking your chains Whisp Nov 2012 #380

I was considering writing a copycat OP: morningfog Nov 2012 #381

jury voted 1-5 to keep. Whisp Nov 2012 #385

That literally made me feel ill. DU is now OFFICIALLY enabling rapists. forestpath Nov 2012 #387

Yes, I'd consider you a rapist Rider3 Nov 2012 #383

he should pay. Whisp Nov 2012 #384

You were a rapist. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #386

The only DUers that have labeled themselves various forms of "lefty" kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #388