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ancianita

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65. Not true. You make this claim without knowing the faith you're talking about.
Thu Jun 27, 2024, 12:41 PM
Jun 2024
believe despite never having seen a shred of evidence of any kind of God. It's mostly that so many other people believe, and it was the same going back to the Sumerians. That's all they've got, ever had or ever will have.


Of the thousands of religions on the planet, Christianity exists EXACTLY because of evidence.

TEN non-Christian writers -- who range from neutral to decidedly anti-Christian — wrote about Jesus within 150 years of his life, death and resurrection. They were witnesses of Jesus showing himself as God; they were among the over 500 witnesses of what Jesus said about his mission, who he said he was before his death and after his witnessed resurrection which before and after, he said what humans should do to live "on Earth as it is in heaven."

While archaeology has been catastrophic in verifying claims of other religions, over 20,000 archaeological digs continue to corroborate the evidence presented by the writers of the New Testament and the OT.

"Good" science is disproven all the time. That doesn't mean science is a hoax or a "religion" that people believe in. Along with bad laws, even good laws (like Roe v Wade) have been overturned. One of the great points MLK made in his Letter (to fellow pastors) from the Birmingham Jail is that laws can be unjust.

"Good" knowledge, older than science, that established Laws, judges, statutes, eyewitness testimony, rules of evidence -- drawn from a thousand years prior -- are still used as the basis of Common Law and International Law to this day. Instead of being disproven as a hoax or a religion, the ancient biblical record and as a history of their practice, has some to benefit all of the West, from "we the people" rule of law and democracy to international courts.

Biblical principles listed above were recorded over 2 millennia by some 40+ writers (most of whom didn't live at the same time or know each other) across 3 continents.
Atheists and agnostics should know that these ancient texts stand as foundational to Western modern law and order, the same law and order that today’s systems of science, politics, and business -- and all non-believers -- benefit from.

50+% of Democrats, including presidents Carter, Obama and Biden, know that over 5,000 documents -- parchments, scrolls, Qumran scrolls, epistles, archaeological records etc. -- ground the veracity and historicity of the Christian Bible (e.g., Biden swore his oath of office on this family's 100 yr old Bible ) more than any other ancient text on Earth -- dating from the 2nd Century BCE.

Even our modern technologists and scientists hold to these fact based beliefs, including the inventor and project head of the Voyager I, the farthest satellite humans have ever sent into the cosmos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology


The reasons 41% of scientists give are that their studies further deepen their spiritual beliefs. Awe in research of the micro/macro universes is only a human reaction to the beyond-all-universes kind of consciousness that, for the always-was/always-will be eternity of the universes, and for lack of other words, and/or for shorthand, they still call God.
The God of the Bible and humankind's sciences are entirely compatible.

Quotes from two (of many) scientists:
Francis S. Collins, PhD Yale; MD, UNC, Chapel Hill:
"The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory. His creation is majestic, awesome, intricate...and it [creation] cannot be at war with itself. Only we imperfect humans can start such battles. And only we can end them."

Ian Hutchinson, PhD, Engineering Physics, Nuclear Engineer and Physicist at MIT:
I take the Bible very seriously... and would affirm the notion that it is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, reproof and correction....But that doesn't mean that when we come to it, our particular interpretations are always affirmed by God."

Quotes from our presidents:

Teddy Roosevelt: "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."

Harry Truman: "The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul...If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody but the State!"

Jimmy Carter: "Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born, and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things, he never said that gay people should be condemned."

Joe Biden: "“Faith sees best in the dark ...Like so many people, my faith has been the bedrock foundation of my life: it’s provided me comfort in moments of loss and tragedy, it’s kept me grounded and humbled in times of triumph and joy...
And in this moment of darkness for our country — of pain, of division, and of sickness for so many Americans — my faith has been a guiding light for me and a constant reminder of the fundamental dignity and humanity that God has bestowed upon all of us.”

Donald Trump: "I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

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I am, and have been for decades, the opposite. Anything that brands itself niyad Jun 2024 #1
Same here..... AZ8theist Jun 2024 #7
The "Jesus-Fish" emblem or logo is a "keep-away" sign for me * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #15
I bought a used truck in the early 80s and kept the Jesus fish that was on it. Back then I tended to drinks a bit. brewens Jun 2024 #21
I've heard of others who use a "thin-blue-line" American flag on their vehicle for the same reason * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #43
Good idea. That's what you get when you force religion and shit on people. You can't tell who's a real believer or brewens Jun 2024 #51
big rec Celerity Jun 2024 #23
Thank you! niyad Jun 2024 #49
Jesus shakes his head while in a state of bewilderment and total disgust. magicarpet Jun 2024 #2
A name branding doesn't actually mean they are more christian Historic NY Jun 2024 #3
They should just be called religous zealots. overleft Jun 2024 #12
If anyone feels inclined to inform me that they're a so-called Christian businessperson EYESORE 9001 Jun 2024 #4
Agreed lonely bird Jun 2024 #6
Cover your wallet with one hand and push your children behind you with the other ArkansasDemocrat1 Jun 2024 #33
"Christian" is not monolithic or homogenous. Many are thoughtful and embrace their communities. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2024 #5
Yes. I look at some of them like straight guys in a mob operation. Just doing a job not knowing it's a front brewens Jun 2024 #9
Correct. ancianita Jun 2024 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Jun 2024 #45
Our local state house rep was poutraged over the ACA passing and touted this faith based medical insurance he brewens Jun 2024 #8
Wow, a FASCINATING article. Abolishinist Jun 2024 #57
It's like the skull and crossbones to me. twodogsbarking Jun 2024 #10
Stephen Wolfe in 'The Case for Christian Nationalism' (2022) writes: sop Jun 2024 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jun 2024 #19
Are you replying to the OP? sop Jun 2024 #28
So sorry, sop. I deleted and will repost downthread. ancianita Jun 2024 #32
You can add Jimmy Carter to that list. nt Wednesdays Jun 2024 #30
Yes. He's included in my "everyone from Kennedy to Biden," right? And everyone in the party loves him, right? ancianita Jun 2024 #35
Alas... 2naSalit Jun 2024 #13
Not in the one way that matters most Major Nikon Jun 2024 #14
Precisely. Squatters as far as I'm concerned. If their superstition means so much to them let them pay full bore brewens Jun 2024 #24
I thought it was to make that "separation of church & state" thing pellucidly clear. CrispyQ Jun 2024 #38
As far as I know one has nothing to do with the other Major Nikon Jun 2024 #63
L. Ron Hubbard figured this out and took advantage of it. DBoon Jun 2024 #53
"Real Christians" Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #17
You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the party they identify with. CrispyQ Jun 2024 #40
Unfortunately, catholic hospitals are frequently the ONLY hospitals/medical niyad Jun 2024 #50
Anyone who brags about being a Christian business owner is a cheating, lying asshole dalton99a Jun 2024 #18
christians do tend to be the back bone of many volunteer social services dembotoz Jun 2024 #20
The Catholic Church runs a food pantry & thrift shop in my area, too. CrispyQ Jun 2024 #44
Since the majority of the population is Christian, that makes perfect sense. Mariana Jun 2024 #48
I've often considered Dr. T Jun 2024 #22
After The Rapture Pet Care Celerity Jun 2024 #25
Damn. You beat me to it. Dr. T Jun 2024 #26
there still is time to fleece the christo-fashies, think big! Celerity Jun 2024 #27
Rapture and money keithbvadu2 Jun 2024 #47
Is Christianity, as we now see it in politics today, following Christ's teachings? ashredux Jun 2024 #29
Christianity has been an awful authoritarian religion Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #36
You're correct. My post is to show, Christians, are really not Christians as was taught by their so-called savior. ashredux Jun 2024 #37
Jesus is weak. CrispyQ Jun 2024 #46
Trump has replaced Jesus in Evangelical Christianity Metaphorical Jun 2024 #58
It was always creepy. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #31
Gone are the days, huh? Our Democratic leaders from Kennedy to Biden, along with 51+ percent of Democratic Party ancianita Jun 2024 #34
THANK YOU! B.See Jun 2024 #61
A testament to how effective the system they perfected over thousands of years is. Plenty of good people brewens Jun 2024 #62
Not true. You make this claim without knowing the faith you're talking about. ancianita Jun 2024 #65
No exodus. No conquest of Canaan for starters. Didn't happen. Archaologists find exactly nothing to back brewens Jun 2024 #66
That's IT? Two things archeologists haven't proven across a couple of millennia of antiquity? Puh-lease. ancianita Jun 2024 #67
Many of these devout Christians have no qualms about cheating you. They know they will be 'forgiven'. keithbvadu2 Jun 2024 #39
Good, because it has never been true Mariana Jun 2024 #41
The Christianity of my childhood resembled The Troubles in Ireland, maybe without so much blood. hunter Jun 2024 #42
Enough with the tax exemptions. Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #52
I try (but mostly fail) to live up to the tolerant, forgiving, and self-sacrificing standards ... dawg Jun 2024 #54
Yes, in fact I think it's bad. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #55
If I were to run a scam, I would assume a christian identity and set up a christian-branded business DBoon Jun 2024 #56
Get yourself some preacher hair and shiny new teeth if you need to. Go for that Godly look. brewens Jun 2024 #59
I think if you can make people believe that stuff Skittles Jun 2024 #60
I was so brainwashed as a kid I didn't think a religious person could be bad. SMH. I'm from SC. raccoon Jun 2024 #64
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