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In reply to the discussion: Ya think? The days of labeling something Christian and having people think that is good, honest and [View all]ancianita
(43,307 posts)65. Not true. You make this claim without knowing the faith you're talking about.
believe despite never having seen a shred of evidence of any kind of God. It's mostly that so many other people believe, and it was the same going back to the Sumerians. That's all they've got, ever had or ever will have.
Of the thousands of religions on the planet, Christianity exists EXACTLY because of evidence.
TEN non-Christian writers -- who range from neutral to decidedly anti-Christian wrote about Jesus within 150 years of his life, death and resurrection. They were witnesses of Jesus showing himself as God; they were among the over 500 witnesses of what Jesus said about his mission, who he said he was before his death and after his witnessed resurrection which before and after, he said what humans should do to live "on Earth as it is in heaven."
While archaeology has been catastrophic in verifying claims of other religions, over 20,000 archaeological digs continue to corroborate the evidence presented by the writers of the New Testament and the OT.
"Good" science is disproven all the time. That doesn't mean science is a hoax or a "religion" that people believe in. Along with bad laws, even good laws (like Roe v Wade) have been overturned. One of the great points MLK made in his Letter (to fellow pastors) from the Birmingham Jail is that laws can be unjust.
"Good" knowledge, older than science, that established Laws, judges, statutes, eyewitness testimony, rules of evidence -- drawn from a thousand years prior -- are still used as the basis of Common Law and International Law to this day. Instead of being disproven as a hoax or a religion, the ancient biblical record and as a history of their practice, has some to benefit all of the West, from "we the people" rule of law and democracy to international courts.
Biblical principles listed above were recorded over 2 millennia by some 40+ writers (most of whom didn't live at the same time or know each other) across 3 continents.
Atheists and agnostics should know that these ancient texts stand as foundational to Western modern law and order, the same law and order that todays systems of science, politics, and business -- and all non-believers -- benefit from.
50+% of Democrats, including presidents Carter, Obama and Biden, know that over 5,000 documents -- parchments, scrolls, Qumran scrolls, epistles, archaeological records etc. -- ground the veracity and historicity of the Christian Bible (e.g., Biden swore his oath of office on this family's 100 yr old Bible ) more than any other ancient text on Earth -- dating from the 2nd Century BCE.
Even our modern technologists and scientists hold to these fact based beliefs, including the inventor and project head of the Voyager I, the farthest satellite humans have ever sent into the cosmos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
The reasons 41% of scientists give are that their studies further deepen their spiritual beliefs. Awe in research of the micro/macro universes is only a human reaction to the beyond-all-universes kind of consciousness that, for the always-was/always-will be eternity of the universes, and for lack of other words, and/or for shorthand, they still call God.
The God of the Bible and humankind's sciences are entirely compatible.
Quotes from two (of many) scientists:
Francis S. Collins, PhD Yale; MD, UNC, Chapel Hill:
"The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory. His creation is majestic, awesome, intricate...and it [creation] cannot be at war with itself. Only we imperfect humans can start such battles. And only we can end them."
Ian Hutchinson, PhD, Engineering Physics, Nuclear Engineer and Physicist at MIT:
I take the Bible very seriously... and would affirm the notion that it is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, reproof and correction....But that doesn't mean that when we come to it, our particular interpretations are always affirmed by God."
Quotes from our presidents:
Teddy Roosevelt: "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
Harry Truman: "The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul...If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody but the State!"
Jimmy Carter: "Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born, and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things, he never said that gay people should be condemned."
Joe Biden: "Faith sees best in the dark ...Like so many people, my faith has been the bedrock foundation of my life: its provided me comfort in moments of loss and tragedy, its kept me grounded and humbled in times of triumph and joy...
And in this moment of darkness for our country of pain, of division, and of sickness for so many Americans my faith has been a guiding light for me and a constant reminder of the fundamental dignity and humanity that God has bestowed upon all of us.
Donald Trump: "I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
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Ya think? The days of labeling something Christian and having people think that is good, honest and [View all]
brewens
Jun 2024
OP
I bought a used truck in the early 80s and kept the Jesus fish that was on it. Back then I tended to drinks a bit.
brewens
Jun 2024
#21
I've heard of others who use a "thin-blue-line" American flag on their vehicle for the same reason *
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2024
#43
Good idea. That's what you get when you force religion and shit on people. You can't tell who's a real believer or
brewens
Jun 2024
#51
If anyone feels inclined to inform me that they're a so-called Christian businessperson
EYESORE 9001
Jun 2024
#4
Cover your wallet with one hand and push your children behind you with the other
ArkansasDemocrat1
Jun 2024
#33
"Christian" is not monolithic or homogenous. Many are thoughtful and embrace their communities. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2024
#5
Yes. I look at some of them like straight guys in a mob operation. Just doing a job not knowing it's a front
brewens
Jun 2024
#9
Our local state house rep was poutraged over the ACA passing and touted this faith based medical insurance he
brewens
Jun 2024
#8
Yes. He's included in my "everyone from Kennedy to Biden," right? And everyone in the party loves him, right?
ancianita
Jun 2024
#35
Precisely. Squatters as far as I'm concerned. If their superstition means so much to them let them pay full bore
brewens
Jun 2024
#24
I thought it was to make that "separation of church & state" thing pellucidly clear.
CrispyQ
Jun 2024
#38
You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the party they identify with.
CrispyQ
Jun 2024
#40
Anyone who brags about being a Christian business owner is a cheating, lying asshole
dalton99a
Jun 2024
#18
Is Christianity, as we now see it in politics today, following Christ's teachings?
ashredux
Jun 2024
#29
You're correct. My post is to show, Christians, are really not Christians as was taught by their so-called savior.
ashredux
Jun 2024
#37
Gone are the days, huh? Our Democratic leaders from Kennedy to Biden, along with 51+ percent of Democratic Party
ancianita
Jun 2024
#34
A testament to how effective the system they perfected over thousands of years is. Plenty of good people
brewens
Jun 2024
#62
Not true. You make this claim without knowing the faith you're talking about.
ancianita
Jun 2024
#65
No exodus. No conquest of Canaan for starters. Didn't happen. Archaologists find exactly nothing to back
brewens
Jun 2024
#66
That's IT? Two things archeologists haven't proven across a couple of millennia of antiquity? Puh-lease.
ancianita
Jun 2024
#67
Many of these devout Christians have no qualms about cheating you. They know they will be 'forgiven'.
keithbvadu2
Jun 2024
#39
The Christianity of my childhood resembled The Troubles in Ireland, maybe without so much blood.
hunter
Jun 2024
#42
I try (but mostly fail) to live up to the tolerant, forgiving, and self-sacrificing standards ...
dawg
Jun 2024
#54
If I were to run a scam, I would assume a christian identity and set up a christian-branded business
DBoon
Jun 2024
#56