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181. John Kelly confirms Trump's 'suckers' remark about war dead
Thu Jun 27, 2024, 09:37 PM
Jun 2024
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4235005-john-kelly-confirms-trumps-suckers-remark-about-war-dead/

Former White House chief of staff John Kelly confirmed several remarks his former boss, former President Trump, reportedly made during his time in the administration, including one where Trump referred to dead U.S. service members as “suckers.” In a statement to CNN, Kelly, the longest serving chief of staff in the Trump administration, confirmed to network anchor Jake Tapper a number of details published in a 2020 article by The Atlantic, including remarks made by Trump during an official visit to France in 2018.

“A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,’” Kelly told CNN in his lengthy statement about Trump. “A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’” “A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.”

Several senior staffers told The Atlantic at the time that Trump did not want to visit the graves of the American soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France, saying, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” The former president also referred to the 1,800 U.S. Marines killed in World War I’s Battle of Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed. Kelly also criticized his former boss in his statement, saying that Trump was not “truthful” in his political positions and is “a person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about.” “A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law,” Kelly said in his statement. “There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly added. “God help us.”

Kelly is the latest former Trump staffer to criticize their former boss in recent years. Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide who testified before the now defunct select committee investigating the Jan 6., 2021, attacks at the Capitol, said during an appearance on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” last week that it’s a “make-or-break” moment for the Republican Party to take a stand against Trump.

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Debate Thread #1 [View all] Wednesdays Jun 2024 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #1
No problem. Wednesdays Jun 2024 #5
So, do you think TCF will melt down Wednesdays Jun 2024 #2
Both. And possibly during the debate as well. Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #134
Go Biden... electric_blue68 Jun 2024 #3
I'm relying on my DU fam. I'm too goddamn Grown2Hate Jun 2024 #4
Don't be afraid senseandsensibility Jun 2024 #8
Joe will do fine. Wednesdays Jun 2024 #12
One reason I'm watching it is so I know what is real Marthe48 Jun 2024 #48
Thank you. I can't. I rely on people like you, here. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #55
No matter what VGuerra276 Jun 2024 #130
I tried to watch. ChazInAz Jun 2024 #129
Ten whole minutes? Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #151
Whew Katcat Jun 2024 #176
Go Joe! skylucy Jun 2024 #6
Joes got it! ALBliberal Jun 2024 #7
Here we go! Let's go Joe Emile Jun 2024 #9
Thanks for doing the thread. Let's see what Trump personality shows up! FloridaBlues Jun 2024 #10
And here we go. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #11
ABC is making it look like a pro wrestling match in a preview dweller Jun 2024 #13
Gotta say the msnbc pundits were all very well spoken in the pre-show lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #14
No handshake. Wednesdays Jun 2024 #15
that was agreed upon in advance. cab67 Jun 2024 #201
How is this possible orangecrush Jun 2024 #16
I know. FalloutShelter Jun 2024 #44
Wish Biden had chosen to speak last electric_blue68 Jun 2024 #17
I do not understand how the position on stage Abolishinist Jun 2024 #25
I don't know about anybody else, Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #106
Exactly!!! niyad Jun 2024 #202
Hopefully a time limit Rebl2 Jun 2024 #207
Thank dog they didn't shake hands! lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #18
Kick his ass, Joe! edbermac Jun 2024 #19
Can someone get him some water? AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #76
Agree. Took 10 minutes for his dry throat to go away. n/t iluvtennis Jun 2024 #146
He sounds hoarse Emile Jun 2024 #20
Yeah Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #21
yes he should slow down Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #29
I was just Delphinus Jun 2024 #22
Yes, talking fast. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #24
Im not watching who sounds horse. DemocracyWorks Jun 2024 #31
Joe PatSeg Jun 2024 #35
Joe Emile Jun 2024 #36
I'm sure that's gonna be seized on by everyone too ITAL Jun 2024 #32
Probably from Rebl2 Jun 2024 #211
They start right in on the economy. CousinIT Jun 2024 #23
I hope electric_blue68 Jun 2024 #43
Lie #1 malaise Jun 2024 #26
But of course! Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #170
I'm sorry MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #37
First question so typical senseandsensibility Jun 2024 #28
Right off the bat orangecrush Jun 2024 #34
Joe's mic sounds muffled orangecrush Jun 2024 #30
I thought that too. LisaM Jun 2024 #41
And no one orangecrush Jun 2024 #52
True, but thats generally his speaking voice, elleng Jun 2024 #63
I noticed that too MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #42
Yes the sound quality is not good. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #54
I bailed as soon as Trump opened his mouth. yardwork Jun 2024 #33
I'm muting the convicted felon but watching President Biden's facial expressions Siwsan Jun 2024 #45
I'm about to call it a night. I can't make it to 11 with this shit. AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #141
I started watching again. Joe's doing better. yardwork Jun 2024 #156
Yeah...but it wasn't a great start. AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #165
No it wasn't. calimary Jun 2024 #182
just so you know NJCher Jun 2024 #224
I heard that while I was out walking the dogs. WTF????? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2024 #229
Didn't take Trump long to lie standingtall Jun 2024 #38
Right, NO TIME at all. elleng Jun 2024 #46
It's just lie, lie, lie birdographer Jun 2024 #216
The Stock Market is higher now Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #39
I Hate to Say It... DET Jun 2024 #40
Terrified that this is a disaster cally Jun 2024 #47
I'm sick to my stomach hibbing Jun 2024 #91
I had to leave the room Random Boomer Jun 2024 #241
I had to turn it off after about fifteen seconds Tribetime Jun 2024 #49
Me too PatSeg Jun 2024 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #51
I agree MustLoveBeagles Jun 2024 #53
I agree. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #57
Yes, he sounds slow. I hope he gets his Irish temper up? Peregrine Took Jun 2024 #59
Why is he so nervous. PCIntern Jun 2024 #64
Get that man some cough drops. tinrobot Jun 2024 #70
The pause was bad. underpants Jun 2024 #90
Biden is struggling hamsterjill Jun 2024 #166
That's what scares me - to the inattentive public, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2024 #231
Deleted AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #172
I'm looking at it this way AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #189
The convicted felon's handlers must have urged him to limit his accordion playing gestures Siwsan Jun 2024 #56
Don't know what they gave Trump Tree Lady Jun 2024 #72
It's the words that matter, not how they are said. Siwsan Jun 2024 #147
Of course I agree with you Tree Lady Jun 2024 #168
Oh, please. Since debates were televised it was all about image. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2024 #169
I respect your opinion Siwsan Jun 2024 #177
That's what we can absolutely agree on. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2024 #193
I just remember seeing video of Nixon sweating. A lot. Profusely. Abundantly. Siwsan Jun 2024 #197
OK. Prepare to be bored. I'll keep it short. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2024 #206
This kind of info never bores me Siwsan Jun 2024 #210
It's not boring at all, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2024 #233
My god, it appears he actually listened to someone PatSeg Jun 2024 #79
And he hasn't talked about cannabis_flower Jun 2024 #215
No super crazy talk, just typical Trump lies PatSeg Jun 2024 #230
Biden has a frog in his throat Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #58
He has been doing a lot of campaigning. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #66
Where's the fact-checker ? dweller Jun 2024 #60
There is no fact checker GaYellowDawg Jun 2024 #84
No, they said the moderators wouldn't fact-check. TwilightZone Jun 2024 #239
Can hardly hear Joe orangecrush Jun 2024 #61
Needs tiny eucalyptus mints to clear his throat n/t malaise Jun 2024 #62
Trump spew. This is what he will do for the next hour.nt Javaman Jun 2024 #65
So far, Biden's a bit mumbly 0rganism Jun 2024 #67
This is bad so far Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #68
multiple ones Celerity Jun 2024 #92
This is bad so far Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #69
This is an absolute disaster. GaYellowDawg Jun 2024 #71
I am agitated beyond description Martin Eden Jun 2024 #221
I'm a little worried about Joe. nolabear Jun 2024 #73
I'm a little worried about Joe. nolabear Jun 2024 #74
Yeah. Me too. calimary Jun 2024 #192
I'm sorry I just can't watch..... a kennedy Jun 2024 #74
Biden looks and sounds Mossfern Jun 2024 #77
Tscf is controlling himself so far. But it's just the same immigrant crap lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #78
Trump lies through his ass Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #80
This is not good. SamKnause Jun 2024 #81
Oh, for crap's sake -- I had to quit already. tsf is just regurgitating his memorized talking points ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2024 #82
Lie after lie after lie. Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #116
Not looking good for Joe so far In It to Win It Jun 2024 #83
Honestly, Not Off To A Good Start! COREY.BAKER Jun 2024 #85
They seem to be giving Trump more time to talk mtngirl47 Jun 2024 #86
They are orangecrush Jun 2024 #113
Joe doesn't sound or look strong- Quakerfriend Jun 2024 #87
Trump is lying through his teeth, as usual. Nt Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2024 #88
Honestly, Not Off To A Good Start! COREY.BAKER Jun 2024 #89
They're letting Trump run on and on. Liberal In Texas Jun 2024 #93
Joe isn't doing very well Beachnutt Jun 2024 #94
ok, it seems like he is ramping up to real Joe- ness... consider_this Jun 2024 #95
It's not abortion after birth Donny Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #96
On Predictit, Trump is now soaring and Biden plummeting DavidDvorkin Jun 2024 #97
Is anyone going to fact check? EndlessWire Jun 2024 #98
Absofreakinglutely, people are fact checking Mersky Jun 2024 #155
PBS is doing a live fact-check. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #183
Joe is finally warmed up. Took him a minute but he's on it now .nt Javaman Jun 2024 #99
Joe is finally warmed up. Took him a minute but he's on it now .nt Javaman Jun 2024 #100
No, no, no... TSExile Jun 2024 #101
Debbie Downers are full force LW1977 Jun 2024 #102
Disagree, it's objectively going very badly garybeck Jun 2024 #124
agree Celerity Jun 2024 #161
Sunshine pumping is goddamn stupid GaYellowDawg Jun 2024 #154
sunshine pumping, never heard that expression before, but it is a good one Celerity Jun 2024 #167
Good term! It applies to several people. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2024 #226
Ignoring reality is what MAGA does Random Boomer Jun 2024 #243
On the topic of abortion and Roe, Joe looked good and spoke strongly. In It to Win It Jun 2024 #103
Joe needs to calm down. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2024 #104
How do you debate lies. You can say any. fucking. thing. spanone Jun 2024 #105
Pound the podium! Call him a convicted liar!!! Go Joe! Peregrine Took Jun 2024 #115
Biden's getting mad from all the lies. More power in his voice. scipan Jun 2024 #107
He sounds horse today DemocracyWorks Jun 2024 #108
Why does that moderator keep calling TCF "President"? ChazInAz Jun 2024 #109
All ex Presidents are referred to by the honorific 'President'. Just like when referring to kelly1mm Jun 2024 #178
It's what you do. People say President Obama and Secretary Clinton all the time. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2024 #188
Joe looks and sounds old Goodheart Jun 2024 #110
they overworked him. Overpracticed ecstatic Jun 2024 #111
Exactly bagimin Jun 2024 #120
I was thinking the same thing. Silver Gaia Jun 2024 #148
PBS is fact-checking Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #190
Thats good, but there's no fact-checking on the CNN feed. Silver Gaia Jun 2024 #196
They announced in advance they were not doing fact-checking. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #204
Joe warming up Johnny2X2X Jun 2024 #112
Much worse than I imagined possible. Abolishinist Jun 2024 #114
Where's the State of the Union Joe!?????? Peregrine Took Jun 2024 #121
No shit! That's who I tuned in to see. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2024 #228
Yeah, this is unsettling PatSeg Jun 2024 #125
Hundreds of thousands Donny? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #117
Jeez. Joe Biden looks horrid. Oneironaut Jun 2024 #118
Trump's lighting is better orangecrush Jun 2024 #122
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #127
I think Joe looks fine. mahina Jun 2024 #149
Trump uses bronzer, Joe doesn't LeftInTX Jun 2024 #131
I had to leave the room. bamagal62 Jun 2024 #119
I'm signing off. Ilsa Jun 2024 #123
It's not going well. Jirel Jun 2024 #126
Joe's had it now, calling out Trump's lies. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #144
Oh my. SamKnause Jun 2024 #128
I feel the same Happygram Jun 2024 #179
"The U.S. will be unrecognizable." Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #220
Ugh Wavelight Jun 2024 #132
All we're getting is Trump's rally bullshit GaYellowDawg Jun 2024 #133
Ooh, Joe is getting under TSF's skin! nt Wednesdays Jun 2024 #135
Trumps image is larger on the screen orangecrush Jun 2024 #136
Trump is lying!! Catherine Vincent Jun 2024 #137
the sky is blue consider_this Jun 2024 #157
Can do Joe. Sending love. mahina Jun 2024 #138
YES orangecrush Jun 2024 #139
Trump is staring to lose it, Biden is getting better. Joe Cool Jun 2024 #140
Not a good start, but it might be turning localroger Jun 2024 #142
President Biden Nailed The Morherfucker WiVoter Jun 2024 #143
Debate Thread #2 Wednesdays Jun 2024 #145
"THE IDEA THAT I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR ANYTHING" orangecrush Jun 2024 #150
I'm a veteran... EndlessWire Jun 2024 #152
Joe is getting mad. Maybe that will help. Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #153
Oh, he just basically did what I hoped he would do! Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #162
I agree and said something similar - post 174 liberalla Jun 2024 #184
Can't John Kelly verify the "suckers" insult? AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #158
John Kelly confirms Trump's 'suckers' remark about war dead Celerity Jun 2024 #181
This needs to be big news tomorrow. Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #191
unfortunately in the arena of politics as gladiatorial spectacle, millions of observers will fall for a confidently Celerity Jun 2024 #200
Kelly also lost a son. AngryOldDem Jun 2024 #198
WTF orangecrush Jun 2024 #159
Trump: gish gallop of lies. Hard to refute them all scipan Jun 2024 #160
The Gish galloping is awful. diane in sf Jun 2024 #163
How is Trump getting more time? Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #164
It does seem like it doesn't it? Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #180
Not watching on TV richdj25 Jun 2024 #171
I tend to look downward when he speaks Mersky Jun 2024 #186
Not watching either for the same reason. Dave Bowman Jun 2024 #225
Doesn't matter..... DEM1955 Jun 2024 #173
He's coming back! In the last 2 minutes something happened, Joe smiled, said Malarky! And... liberalla Jun 2024 #174
Biden, close your mouth. Good points so far. scipan Jun 2024 #175
Ooh Trump is starting to make faces. nt Susan Calvin Jun 2024 #185
Debate Thread #2 Wednesdays Jun 2024 #187
Trump did NOT offer Nancy Pelosi 10,000 troops! His lying about January 6th is INCREDIBLE!!! GET HIM JOE! LaMouffette Jun 2024 #194
The election is a long way off. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2024 #195
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #205
All true. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2024 #208
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #209
Maybe he can catch his breath during the break. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2024 #213
Can't really watch. cab67 Jun 2024 #199
"You have the morals of an Alley Cat!" FirstLight Jun 2024 #203
Debate Thread #2 Wednesdays Jun 2024 #212
Frog-Mouth Trump Mr.Bee Jun 2024 #214
Hard to debate a liar. Someone needs to point out that Trump is lying about everything. lees1975 Jun 2024 #217
The give away is Taper saying thank you mr president to dump. Bluethroughu Jun 2024 #218
At the beginning, it was "Former President Trump" Seinan Sensei Jun 2024 #247
It's disgusting. Bluethroughu Jun 2024 #248
Halfway through and had to turn it off jmbar2 Jun 2024 #219
Joe is 81 and to formalize words with data on a dime. Smackdown2019 Jun 2024 #222
Not sure what happened but this is not good oldmanlynn Jun 2024 #223
This is awful stage left Jun 2024 #227
Why? richdj25 Jun 2024 #232
This is hard to watch, mostly cuz of TFG FirstLight Jun 2024 #234
I love Joe, but why Chicagogrl1 Jun 2024 #235
Unfortunately markodochartaigh Jun 2024 #236
I was in shock AlexSFCA Jun 2024 #237
Fucking asteroid catastrophically bad. hay rick Jun 2024 #238
I'm afraid that sums it up SCantiGOP Jun 2024 #242
Oh dear flying-skeleton Jun 2024 #240
Joe failed Sessuch Jun 2024 #244
President Biden sanduca Jun 2024 #245
This is a farce. Frank D. Lincoln Jun 2024 #246
Did Project 2025 come up? XanaDUer2 Jun 2024 #249
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