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344. What if she's drunk but not unconscious?

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:49 PM

Nov 2012

First of all, I've never had sex with anyone who was unconscious (to my knowledge), and find it revolting. That is unquestionably rape.

What if we are both drunk? It's happened quite a few times. Not planned or anything.

What if just she is drunk but isn't unconscious? Seems like once women get really drunk it's practically a sure thing that they'll consent. And by consent, I mean implied, such as responding in certain... reciprocating ways, even if you know their intent that night was originally not to have sex.

If she were unconscious this would be clear cut, but what if she's fully conscious of what she's doing but will consent to practically anything you know otherwise she would think twice about? Of course in the heat of the moment it's damned near impossible to have a dispassionate analysis of such things.

Since rape is being brought up I just wanted to know where people stand on this as I've never gotten a consensus on it.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 OP

Rapist? Maybe... Douchebag... trumad Nov 2012 #1

that's not how I perceive them now NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #9

How you perceive them? Control-Z Nov 2012 #53

Yes. Are you surprised that my perceptions can evolve? NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #144

There are many a chap who haven't evolved, I applaud your evolution and honesty! arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #323

Odd that you feel so ambiguous about it. Bonobo Nov 2012 #61

I asked downthread, and I'd really like to know, what if he'd been the rapee? Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #156

what a profound and important question renate Nov 2012 #169

True Dat. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #167

My vote is on the latter. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #389

This will end well... Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #2

Do you reckon this is going to be enough, or do I need to get another one? Turborama Nov 2012 #20

really? this is that entertaining. something so painful for so many. seabeyond Nov 2012 #23

No. It means I and many others will be reading with interest and not taking part. Turborama Nov 2012 #25

ya. that's it. seabeyond Nov 2012 #29

It is. Turborama Nov 2012 #40

Thank you for saying this! Marrah_G Nov 2012 #3

That is a question which, if one has to ask, one has already answered. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #4

By Progressives at the time! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #11

I'm 50 years old how old are you? former-republican Nov 2012 #16

Yep. Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #35

Agree but the law was still the same as it is now. Nothing has really changed in the wording former-republican Nov 2012 #43

Maybe not in the legal wording, but in the prosecution, much has changed. pnwmom Nov 2012 #157

Actually, where I live the wording to the law has changed. It used to be that verbal refusal of sex arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #332

I am 55. A passed put "chick" was considered NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #59

was it the griup of boys? cause that would be 70's. was it the kids you hung out with? seabeyond Nov 2012 #63

Yes, it was the mid-70's. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #72

No, it wasn't the norm then, either. MineralMan Nov 2012 #233

It definitely was NOT the norm in northern MI, NashvilleLefty. I was born in 1955. catbyte Nov 2012 #292

It might have been the norm for RWers, but on the left we leaned feminist even then. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #392

I did my share of drinking and can say I never did that to a passed out woman. former-republican Nov 2012 #74

You may not have been "cool", Beacool Nov 2012 #119

in the 70's it was almost unheard of. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #124

Well, that's more the shame of society. Beacool Nov 2012 #135

ya. i do not even know if we talked about date rape until like the later 70's, 80's. seabeyond Nov 2012 #140

Bullshit. TeeYiYi Nov 2012 #152

+10000 Tsiyu Nov 2012 #354

Sober up and delete this s hit stir. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #175

Do you read what you write? rateyes Nov 2012 #182

This 55 year old says you are full of shit, trumad Nov 2012 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #242

how do you know. so someone carried them to the room. swept thru the party drunk so and so in seabeyond Nov 2012 #258

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #284

then the opportunity was not there because people took care of the girl. why pretend it doesnt seabeyond Nov 2012 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #291

i am fine with all that. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #298

because YOU hung out with freaks and thugs, sweetiepie. l cali Nov 2012 #294

For those curious as to how your fellow Duer jurors view women: myrna minx Nov 2012 #300

Wow, juror #5 is blaming the victim geardaddy Nov 2012 #319

yippers. i wonder if he too... (yes, may be a she, we do that)... has a past seabeyond Nov 2012 #336

It is true that women didn't get a lot of sympathy decades ago. Chemisse Nov 2012 #337

So, that makes it ok then. geardaddy Nov 2012 #339

Juror number 5 hrmjustin Nov 2012 #375

Now that you've made clear what era it was, you were a rapist. Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #349

I think you are wrong. I did rape awareness on the U of Delaware in the late 70s... Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #88

Seriosously? LOL! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #90

There was a book printed in the late 70s I think LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #115

Are you kidding me? In the late 70s, an underaged woman was raped & killed after leaving a local bar Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #141

I went to bars starting at age 16, and it was the norm adigal Nov 2012 #249

I'm 56 and I knew several girls in college that this happened to Marcia Brady Nov 2012 #228

yup. and there is much in our culture today, that is pushing us back for the girl to stfu. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #232

People call themselves all kinds of things they aren't. Progressive or Liberal, you weren't. patrice Nov 2012 #42

Perhaps I wasn't. But I THOUGHT I was. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #148

Not that it would help the situation... onpatrol98 Nov 2012 #390

people have suggest this. i wouldnt want to hear back from a rapist, decades later. i wonder how seabeyond Nov 2012 #393

You were a sexist pig, and ANYTHING but progressive for it. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #394

No one I know ever considered it acceptable that wasn't also a piece of shit. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #62

Yah, well, I'm 67 years old. MineralMan Nov 2012 #231

I'm an almost 65-year-old Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #310

yup. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #311

I don't find your rationalization that you were young and needed to stick it somewhere as a Democrat 4 Ever Nov 2012 #347

You're a liar. I'm 55 and that sort of thing was as horrifyingly criminal then as it is now. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #391

. former-republican Nov 2012 #5

K&R Odin2005 Nov 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Nov 2012 #7

TY, I will admit that it was hard posting it. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #12

what's brave about it ? JI7 Nov 2012 #18

The poster admits on a message board that he was a rapist. yardwork Nov 2012 #27

i don't see confusion , thank god for the sluts, would he have thought it was ok if it was his JI7 Nov 2012 #33

Obviously he thinks it's wrong now. yardwork Nov 2012 #45

He knew it was wrong at the time he did it.. rateyes Nov 2012 #176

I agree with you. That's why it's important to talk about this. yardwork Nov 2012 #237

He's playing all of us. He only made the OP to get in a jab about how liberals, kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #395

No, you obviously don't understand anything. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #69

Really??? No, REALLY?????? WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #86

and that is my point! NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #118

You say you were peer presured into it, and encouraged to do these things... Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #161

You CHOSE to do what you did, you weren't "encouraged" obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #238

I understand what you were saying...I am 51, and the "bad" girls were known to all adigal Nov 2012 #246

My bet is you did the same things Egnever Nov 2012 #367

Like none of us experienced peer pressure. cali Nov 2012 #296

You want a poster to have "walked a mile in your shoes"?! obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #236

You POOR, POOR, man. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #396

The vast majority of men, IME, have that mindset. It's OK for them to treat some woman raccoon Nov 2012 #199

Sorry not buying that bullshit either Egnever Nov 2012 #370

+1...... n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #209

I'm so sorry for what you've suffered thru, darkangel. countryjake Nov 2012 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #224

In the 1939 movie "The Philadelphia Story," it is strongly implied Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #8

Among Philadelphia bourgeois socialites at least. FarCenter Nov 2012 #17

Do you really think that the wealthy behave better than the poor? yardwork Nov 2012 #28

Socioeconomic status, ethnicity, religion, family structure, etc all play a role in sexual attitudes FarCenter Nov 2012 #54

Yes, and as I stated, I've found that the very wealthy are more likely to behave badly. yardwork Nov 2012 #252

Hmmm... I always assumed that in super wealthy families women typically had more "clout". Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #280

assholes and timid comes in all social classes. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #285

I'm not wealthy but I've been around wealthy people most of my life. yardwork Nov 2012 #357

Mine, too Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #266

I agree gollygee Nov 2012 #267

Well, we didn't have that rule NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #22

so you were peer pressured into raping women ? JI7 Nov 2012 #24

well, in a way. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #150

Would it have been less complicated Tsiyu Nov 2012 #358

There's this concept called a "gentleman" Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #275

exactly. and another post that is right on the mark. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #279

I am no gentlemen. But I sure as hell am not a rapist either. n/t ieoeja Nov 2012 #372

+1 Bonobo Nov 2012 #66

In the MOVIES under the new(ish) Hayes Code in 1939, there were rules about that sort of thing. MADem Nov 2012 #116

The Motion Picture Production Code allowed all sorts of implications and in-jokes Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #286

The point of the Motion Picture Code, though, was that "bad things" did not happen, because the MADem Nov 2012 #315

"you were drunk, and there are rules about that sort of thing." dchill Nov 2012 #143

Those rules applied only to men with a strong sense of ethics. pnwmom Nov 2012 #158

The first movie that came to mind when I read this was "Animal House" in '78 deutsey Nov 2012 #218

exactly. i was feeling that reading it also. and yes, that scene was one people were suppose to seabeyond Nov 2012 #221

He gives a sly look to the camera and leans toward the woman as the scene fades out arcane1 Nov 2012 #320

There's no doubt he has sex with her later after he learns she's 13 deutsey Nov 2012 #322

Well Lasher Nov 2012 #10

the girls were passed out and that was cool for you? and people are thanking you seabeyond Nov 2012 #13

No, it was totally wrong. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #30

it was not socially justified. It was illegal. rateyes Nov 2012 #191

In my college says, lots of frat boys were famous for it. Bonobo Nov 2012 #68

sigh... you and i are gonna bond on this one, arent we. seabeyond Nov 2012 #73

It is crowd psychology as has no morality. Bonobo Nov 2012 #78

yes. exactly. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #80

I never encountered any frat boys LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #79

Yeah, I know that. But it thrives more easily in a tight-knit group. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #82

I do rather loath frat boys. white_wolf Nov 2012 #147

you made me laugh. seabeyond Nov 2012 #149

At my college (in the late 80s) gollygee Nov 2012 #227

Because frat rats were immune from prosecution. ieoeja Nov 2012 #374

Wow, I appreciate your humble cilla4progress Nov 2012 #14

true all that. that was my time. early 80's. but passed out girls? seabeyond Nov 2012 #37

Y'know I was not aware of date rape drugs cilla4progress Nov 2012 #60

again, i was right in the time where date rape drug comes out and gals werent informed. aids and we seabeyond Nov 2012 #75

Well it's a bit different when you actually give consent. WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #96

Yes, I agree, cilla4progress Nov 2012 #288

You needed education to know not to fuck people who were in no condition to consent? LeftyMom Nov 2012 #15

When you put it that way NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #49

I think that is the most screwed-up definition of "Red Blooded American Male" I've ever heard. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #120

You were raised to be a rapist? UtahLib Nov 2012 #138

I grew up at the same time as you, and rateyes Nov 2012 #179

No. A "red-blooded American Male" would have pulled MineralMan Nov 2012 #241

See my post #275 Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #276

Forgive me, but that's a load of crap Orrex Nov 2012 #303

I knew that there were peer groups that enabled this sort of thinking seabeyond Nov 2012 #305

I agree 100% obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #51

+1000 n/t geardaddy Nov 2012 #328

yes nt Incitatus Nov 2012 #19

huge mistake on my part. using fire in bed. heavy OP. thinking as i was reading.... my bad. seabeyond Nov 2012 #41

I think they were answering the question in the thread title n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #48

oh lordy. thank you. i totally forget the op. i will have to see what the? is. seabeyond Nov 2012 #56

Tablets... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #122

yes. lol. but, for a quick peek seabeyond Nov 2012 #130

Ladyhawk is correct. Incitatus Nov 2012 #52

i see. was i a rapist... sigh. seabeyond Nov 2012 #58

And underage drinking and driving when drunk and partying when one should be studying and not libdem4life Nov 2012 #21

sex with passed out girls is just among the list of yours. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #44

or with passed out boys. Both genders are responsible for their behavior. libdem4life Nov 2012 #94

It has come to this. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #26

are you serious. seabeyond Nov 2012 #47

it absolutely was NOT a norm TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #190

IME it was a norm back then. Yes, it was rape and no it wasn't OK. raccoon Nov 2012 #201

It was only normal for rapists TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #208

No, they didn't obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #239

It was NOT the norm obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #211

i was in bed, reading a little fire, and kinda blown away from the OP. reading down the thread, i seabeyond Nov 2012 #219

Unless you are a sociologist, how can you say what the norm was? rainin Nov 2012 #290

Thanks for your honesty. How many people have you raped? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31

Listen, I understand perfectly what you're saying Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #32

yes it was a much different time. Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #318

Yes, but I do get what you're saying here. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #34

"This isn't a fun conversation, but we need to have it." NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #55

exactly liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #57

I think I was more shocked LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #70

i think it is more that they have to be numb to it, and that is the matter of fact you hear. so seabeyond Nov 2012 #85

Maybe. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #105

ya. but, how many parents had conversation with the kids seabeyond Nov 2012 #117

Exactly, seabeyond. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #126

When I read an article about that going on among 12- and 13-year-olds, Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #302

an empty house was another conversation i had with my boys. not gonna happen seabeyond Nov 2012 #304

Yes, it doesn't matter what we think about it NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #87

So it's all about you, then? flvegan Nov 2012 #36

Sure is all about him, cause if I didn't know any better, WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #93

I hope you and anyone that you were with can heal from this. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #38

I dated a drunk who verbally abused me liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39

acknowleding your candor, you have a lot further to go G_j Nov 2012 #46

Passed out girls? Berserker Nov 2012 #50

Confused and shocked like a lot of others -- downandoutnow Nov 2012 #64

I can't congratulate you FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #65

A dose of reality in just the right amount, agracie Nov 2012 #133

+ Infinity! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Nov 2012 #67

Damn. Double damn. Solly Mack Nov 2012 #71

Also, let's be clear FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #76

^This!^ TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #162

+1 KatyMan Nov 2012 #245

This makes me SOOOO sad that anyone even debates when it's "OK" to have sex and when it's not... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #77

Even drunk girls can do what you described here (nt) AlexSatan Nov 2012 #254

Obviously, no one ever taught you that beating off into another Warpy Nov 2012 #81

You do not have to be taught not to rape if all other things are equal. Bonobo Nov 2012 #83

I've seen young boys who were never taught to respect girls liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #91

Not if they are taught to respect other people. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #98

that's the point liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #99

Yes, to respect people. Bonobo Nov 2012 #106

true. but this is taught to respect because you have all the other social factors that teach seabeyond Nov 2012 #102

Okay, agreed. Bonobo Nov 2012 #112

absolutely. seabeyond Nov 2012 #123

Popular culture doesn't help either. Beacool Nov 2012 #110

And that's why so many of us get raped. Warpy Nov 2012 #111

I can only speak for my role as father of two boys and yes, it is working. Bonobo Nov 2012 #131

Part of being an adult is realizing that not every place has the same Lars39 Nov 2012 #114

This teenaged boy was taught not to rape. MineralMan Nov 2012 #248

I was raped by an ex-boyfriend in HS after I told him I never wanted to see him again. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #84

hrmjustin... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #89

Thank you! It was tough, but I needed to let the pain go. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #92

I am very glad you were able to heal LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #103

your post says it all liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #95

Thank you! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #97

I'm so sorry. Beacool Nov 2012 #101

It was not easy, but I wanted healing. But to this day I still have issues trusting men. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #107

I understand. Beacool Nov 2012 #128

Im sorry Berserker Nov 2012 #109

The pain is hard to deal with. But when I let go I really did let go. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #113

That was very big of you. I hope it helped heal your pain as well. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #139

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #340

Ver sorry to hear that this happened to you. stevenleser Nov 2012 #163

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #341

Hugs to you, hrmjustin. countryjake Nov 2012 #223

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #342

You must be the type of guy my mother always warned me about. Beacool Nov 2012 #100

Yes. You were. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #104

YOU are the guy Fathers tell their Daughters about. You were THEN, and probably are NOW. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #108

Although I agree with the last line. The rest of your statement disgusts me... vaberella Nov 2012 #121

I'm surprised Oilwellian Nov 2012 #125

Only Psychos Think Rape is OK...Right? seabeyond Nov 2012 #127

I took a Human Sexuality class in college. Beacool Nov 2012 #134

yes. i found that study over a year ago. i have recently gone back looking for it seabeyond Nov 2012 #146

I don't remember who conducted the study. Beacool Nov 2012 #259

It seems clear that the great majority of posters in this thread are denying the facts these survey Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #196

point on. if we are not really honest, then it will continue and no resolutions to be had. it is a seabeyond Nov 2012 #214

That kind of supports what the OP was saying about what his attitude was back then loudsue Nov 2012 #379

especially as that is today, as opposed to 3, 4 decades ago. agreed. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #382

and if someone had told you it was bad, you wouldn't have done it? after all, you were a HiPointDem Nov 2012 #129

Did you live in bumfukistan Tennessee then? Egnever Nov 2012 #132

I'm from TN. Please don't compare us with the OP. white_wolf Nov 2012 #137

Hey, Im from Tennessee... rateyes Nov 2012 #192

I am not the one lumping you in with it Egnever Nov 2012 #366

Bumfukistan TN here, in the backwoods Tsiyu Nov 2012 #361

"Seriously, if I didn't get to fuck something I would have gone crazy!" white_wolf Nov 2012 #136

Please answer this as honestly as you can: When you were a teen, if YOU had passed out Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #142

NashvilleLefty appears to be too cowardly to answer this question Tsiyu Nov 2012 #368

I wish you'd have stuck "it" in a light socket. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #145

Hah! n/t Helen Reddy Nov 2012 #262

I'll say it...please, can someone bounce this asshole? flvegan Nov 2012 #151

Amen to that TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #164

thank you obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #212

You were not a rapist. agent46 Nov 2012 #153

Wrong. BZZZZZT! Thanks for playing. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #154

W T F? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #159

He bloody well was a rapist TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #165

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #170

Give me a damned break. He knew what he was doing and rateyes Nov 2012 #174

Did you forget the sarcasm smilie, or rateyes Nov 2012 #180

No, he was a rapist obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #215

Thank you for doing your bit to educate. pnwmom Nov 2012 #155

you had sex with someone who was passed out? brokechris Nov 2012 #160

There is no doubt about it... rateyes Nov 2012 #172

I don't suppose you realize that you are using the same excuses defacto7 Nov 2012 #166

I have a question and you needn't answer if it's too personal... countryjake Nov 2012 #168

I am the same age you are, and rateyes Nov 2012 #171

I don't knee-jerk "hate" you, but it's not my place to forgive (or not). nomorenomore08 Nov 2012 #173

How MANY women did you rape? JustJoe Nov 2012 #177

No? Probably? Could be considered? Qanisqineq Nov 2012 #178

this obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #217

If you feel that bad about it, you should go and confess to law enforcement darkangel218 Nov 2012 #181

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #183

You honestly think the OP didnt know what he was doing was wrong? darkangel218 Nov 2012 #184

He was horny. LAGC Nov 2012 #187

Well, he should go explain that to the cops. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #197

It is pretty sad. LAGC Nov 2012 #204

If he goes and confesses to the police, dont be so sure he wont get prosecuted. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #206

He didnt make a mistake. A mistake is unintentional. rateyes Nov 2012 #186

rape is not a fucking "mistake" TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #194

"At the time, NO? But, in reality, PROBABLY???" rateyes Nov 2012 #185

By your own admission, you are a sex offender. LAGC Nov 2012 #188

Yes, you are a rapist. BainsBane Nov 2012 #189

That's disgusting and it's a shame you weren't prosecuted for it. Appalling. nt TeamsterDem Nov 2012 #193

Creepy and vulgar OP post to no purpose. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #195

It diminishes rape victims obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #220

Noteverybody did it union_maid Nov 2012 #202

Unless you're in your eighties, it certainly wasn't considered acceptable behavior at the time. MadHound Nov 2012 #203

You should have been put in prison then. The Link Nov 2012 #205

Do you understand the times?? Or are you just another judgmental jerk? adigal Nov 2012 #251

They should have been. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #264

Oh horseshit Egnever Nov 2012 #365

Well you display the sense of entitlement behind rape gollygee Nov 2012 #207

At the time, "yes", and in reality, "yes". MadrasT Nov 2012 #210

This OP is just horrible obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #216

We took them home and made sure they were safe. pintobean Nov 2012 #222

Yes, that's what GENTLEMEN did Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #281

Yes. Absolutely. Iggo Nov 2012 #225

I appreciate that you are willing to honestly examine your behavior and thought processes. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #226

you are point on thru out your post. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #229

When I was in college gollygee Nov 2012 #235

That's bringing back a bad memory: freshman year, rugby party. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #307

the moral to this story is we hear the SAME stories today. things are not different. seabeyond Nov 2012 #312

"Rape is rape." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #317

i do. the whole point of all this is when you tell a guy rape is rape, he will probably agree. say seabeyond Nov 2012 #325

I hope that if any attack was in the past 7 years BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #230

This post is like a slap in the face. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #234

you are a creepy weirdo tjwash Nov 2012 #240

This one.. 99Forever Nov 2012 #243

Wtf are you even still here? polly7 Nov 2012 #244

the concept of consensual sex needs to be understood and included in the education. lunatica Nov 2012 #247

sorry but your post is completely creepy WI_DEM Nov 2012 #250

This is similar to how I lost my virginity at college adigal Nov 2012 #253

This makes me so sad FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #271

You are like "everyone else". It's called RAPE culture. ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #255

You have to ask? DiverDave Nov 2012 #256

It's hard for me to psychologically enter into that milieu, but... Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #260

Wow mercuryblues Nov 2012 #263

As someone that lost my virginity to rape in 1972, was raped by my husband and as the mother of a Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #265

My great-grandfather had a unique punishment for rapists- nail their dick to a stump and give them a Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #268

tough topic. Maine-ah Nov 2012 #269

I remember the girl Generic Other Nov 2012 #270

this. everything about it is right. seabeyond Nov 2012 #273

Thank you for being there for Jane. polly7 Nov 2012 #274

Thank you so much. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #277

My heart goes out to Jane gollygee Nov 2012 #278

Excellent post geardaddy Nov 2012 #321

I remember in college, a gang rape accusation at a frat closeupready Nov 2012 #272

Yes NashvilleLefty you are a serial rapist. And of course you are unable Jumping John Nov 2012 #282

Yes, you were a rapist. morningfog Nov 2012 #283

If you would have taken her wallet instead, wendylaroux Nov 2012 #289

Oh wow. Welcome to DU leftstreet Nov 2012 #306

This post is actually more complicated than the OP. white_wolf Nov 2012 #351

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #293

I also support teaching people how to prevent rape.... LynneSin Nov 2012 #295

This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Nov 2012 #297

As a victim of rape and child molestation... CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #299

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #330

I wish that I could rec this post. Thank you CoffeeCat n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #353

... Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #362

Two suggestions. noamnety Nov 2012 #301

It's HIM that needs education TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #308

+1 deutsey Nov 2012 #329

When you are raised in a culture where x is acceptable, how are you to know otherwise? jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #309

geezus ... get off the fuckin evo psych... hard wired bullshit. so fuckin tired of that garbage. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #313

thank you for your nuanced and thoughtful response jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #327

no. there was not. whne you give men that they are hard wired, i stop reading. it is bullshit in seabeyond Nov 2012 #335

Let me see if I have this striaght jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #348

I am shocked by this OP.. one_voice Nov 2012 #314

This OP is revolting. It WAS rape -and- you ARE a rapist. Barack_America Nov 2012 #316

If this OP isn't pure bullshit and flameware, then I would think it would be coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #324

He was so stricken by his confession and 3 hours of rough responses JustJoe Nov 2012 #331

CoffeeCat upthread (post #299) cuts right through the bullshit coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #334

Yes. Thank you. Assuming his story is true... JustJoe Nov 2012 #338

No shit,he was really broken up about this wasn't he? wendylaroux Nov 2012 #343

Trying to validate the "fiscal cliff," no less. woo me with science Nov 2012 #352

You are a rapist. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #326

It's all about you. I hope the girls you victimized were able to move on. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #333

What if she's drunk but not unconscious? LittleBlue Nov 2012 #344

I've never been popular enough to have those problems jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #355

The hell...? cyberswede Nov 2012 #356

ya. right there with you, lol seabeyond Nov 2012 #359

let me explain LittleBlue Nov 2012 #369

Implied consent = no consent FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #363

+1 Gormy Cuss Nov 2012 #378

Yes nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #345

You need to heal as much as does your victim. Festivito Nov 2012 #346

Your OP should have started off with UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #350

The OP is a rapist and a coward. KatyMan Nov 2012 #360

Did you Tallulah Nov 2012 #364

I cannot believe anyone is listening to this crap Rex Nov 2012 #371

Were you a rapist? Hong Kong Cavalier Nov 2012 #373

Peer pressure and horny?? I predicted the "God's will " jerk offs would come out of the woodwork lunasun Nov 2012 #376

Bye now. mahina Nov 2012 #377

Hey everyone. This guy is just yanking your chains Whisp Nov 2012 #380

I was considering writing a copycat OP: morningfog Nov 2012 #381

jury voted 1-5 to keep. Whisp Nov 2012 #385

That literally made me feel ill. DU is now OFFICIALLY enabling rapists. forestpath Nov 2012 #387

Yes, I'd consider you a rapist Rider3 Nov 2012 #383

he should pay. Whisp Nov 2012 #384

You were a rapist. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #386

The only DUers that have labeled themselves various forms of "lefty" kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #388