General Discussion

AdamGG

(1,881 posts)

88. Trump is a narcisistic corrupt sociopath, but...

Fri Jun 28, 2024, 12:44 AM

Jun 2024

He seems like exactly the same asshole he's always been. And, he has lots of tv performance experience and always knows where the cameras are and how to deliver his performance to them.

I will vote for Joe and do what I can to help him get elected and pray that he wins because the alternative is horrific, but if we can be truthful here, I was alarmed by the decline in his performance compared to the debates 4 years ago and against Paul Ryan & Sarah Palin.

I'm not alarmed about him governing because I trust his policies and the team that he has advising him, but I am alarmed about what he will be able to bring to the campaign. Trump delivered a machine gun of lies and bullshit that someone like Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris would have dissected. Joe answered that he had a lower golf handicap than Trump and left so many things on the table that I don't think he would have 4 years ago.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

EX500rider

158 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I hope the debate was a reality check for those DUers who always underestimate Trump. [View all] onenote Jun 2024 OP

Unfortunately, you make some good points. Especially the comparison to BT Barnum. c-rational Jun 2024 #1

I am not watching. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2024 #2

basically a good liar pstokely Jun 2024 #3

The con artist's trick is to speak things into existence... PeaceWave Jun 2024 #4

Yes DENVERPOPS Jun 2024 #94

He Lies non stop n/t malaise Jun 2024 #5

Yes he does. And no one here should be surprised. Yet there were many here who thought he'd never show. onenote Jun 2024 #9

ya' think? NJCher Jun 2024 #112

I don't know where you got your count. former9thward Jun 2024 #149

someone's memory is not NJCher Jun 2024 #150

Where is your documentation? former9thward Jun 2024 #151

you should be able to figure out how I did it NJCher Jun 2024 #152

Others on DU know you are wrong. former9thward Jun 2024 #154

cop out NJCher Jun 2024 #155

Valid point malaise Jun 2024 #124

Yes. He lies non stop. And his audience eats it up like caviar. SupportSanity Jun 2024 #36

His audience isn't enough to win. He sickens normal people. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #53

Thank you! Yes...we need to continue to work hard, donate and GOTV! Tsf is a known lair and a con with a PortTack Jun 2024 #59

They've also been killing their people with COVID. And there is the Nikki Haley affect. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #64

You are so right. Trump is the Jim Jones of politicians: He is evil wrapped in charisma and bullshit. I am terrified LaMouffette Jun 2024 #6

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #135

Not sure they are. Nt Evolve Dammit Jun 2024 #141

Ding Ding Ding pimpbot Jun 2024 #7

Joe's prep team failed Sessuch Jun 2024 #29

Not sure it was his prep team TheFarseer Jun 2024 #128

Agree. He didn't seem prepared to effectively counter Trump's endless stream of BS, which was going to be the most LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #140

Trump is surprising me in his delivery and audacity. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2024 #8

Moderators should have HighFired49 Jun 2024 #153

If they fact checked every lie that TFG told (which was in every response he gave) the debate would have been twice as long Rhiannon12866 Jun 2024 #158

Yep. kentuck Jun 2024 #10

To be fair to us GolferDave Jun 2024 #11

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #12

lol TSF has done some Gibberish Shit Cha Jun 2024 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jun 2024 #92

Sorry, but this is a petty cheap shot of a criticism. Bucky Jun 2024 #98

GImme a FUCKING break... democratsruletheday Jun 2024 #13

Agree completely! Yes..we still need to work hard, donate and GOTV! But, to panic over a debate with a known PortTack Jun 2024 #63

100% correct. I'm not voting for a debate Captain, I'm voting for a LEADER Bengus81 Jun 2024 #126

And it's not like those predictions were out of BlueKota Jun 2024 #130

OMG!!! AverageOldGuy Jun 2024 #14

I thought he sounded better. mahina Jun 2024 #16

He did. Sounded better at the Waffle House, too. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #65

He sounded great and the audience loved his story. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #91

It's sad pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #134

Honestly outside the lies, Trump has always been.. DemocratInPa Jun 2024 #15

debate teacher here NJCher Jun 2024 #60

These aren't debates as in scoring points and being judged. These are shows or infomercials. LeftInTX Jun 2024 #84

you can think that if you want NJCher Jun 2024 #102

Thankyou malaise Jun 2024 #148

He Lost every debate with Biden in 2020 VeryProgressive Jun 2024 #74

It's harder to be completely full of shit AdamGG Jun 2024 #110

It was a total shock for me! ananda Jun 2024 #17

I think a lot of people underestimate biden's age not being a factor Tribetime Jun 2024 #19

I'm 80, and I assure you that being old does not play well when any sort of popularity evaluation is relevant. Trust_Reality Jun 2024 #96

Don't apologize 😊 pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #137

Because he makes everything up surfered Jun 2024 #20

Exactly! StarryNite Jun 2024 #97

important point NJCher Jun 2024 #101

The performance was hollow though Arthur_Frain Jun 2024 #21

In 84 in the 2nd debate people listening on the radio said Mondale was better rpannier Jun 2024 #26

Trump is a liar LiberaBlueDem Jun 2024 #22

Biden was sad. Daylily Jun 2024 #23

Interestingly, Biden has already been doing the job. Nixie Jun 2024 #106

He has a team, and the team has been good. However, pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #138

Trump is a talented politician. It's something hard to accept radius777 Jun 2024 #24

I will say tho: Trump isn't the only one on at that stage that people have devastatingly underestimated ColinC Jun 2024 #33

If you mean how DARK BRANDON has in the end woven his magic thru experience and good advice, and come out PortTack Jun 2024 #69

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #77

Welcome to DU! ColinC Jun 2024 #86

I mean the guy who they thought wouldn't finish his first term in the senate because he was too young ColinC Jun 2024 #95

you need to read that new book NJCher Jun 2024 #107

Trump is a demagogue, which takes talent radius777 Jun 2024 #111

it absolutely does NOT take talent NJCher Jun 2024 #116

Trump was jacked up on something more than his ego. Soooooo many lies!!!! Ford_Prefect Jun 2024 #25

That's what I thought. How does he sound yorkster Jun 2024 #115

He lied his ass all the way through. brush Jun 2024 #27

Know your enemy Random Boomer Jun 2024 #37

It's an illusion all right, and it became more evident towards the end... brush Jun 2024 #39

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jun 2024 #71

If I were betting, I'd bet there won't be a 2nd debate rpannier Jun 2024 #28

Yep ColinC Jun 2024 #30

He did what he does best cilla4progress Jun 2024 #31

who did he sell them to? Who bought them? bigtree Jun 2024 #45

Just because hes selling doesnt mean cilla4progress Jun 2024 #47

Thank you!! you stated the facts in 13 words better than 95+% of the posts! PortTack Jun 2024 #72

I was just thinking that this should blunt a bit of the unwarranted overconfidence and complacency. TwilightZone Jun 2024 #32

I've seen the opposite Aepps22 Jun 2024 #38

Nailed it perfectly! PortTack Jun 2024 #73

not many people have been basing that confidence on a debate, so this is a canard bigtree Jun 2024 #48

Trump was exactly who I expected him to be. lees1975 Jun 2024 #34

They should have had big red X's Mr.Bee Jun 2024 #42

I kept wanting Biden to respond to the allegations about immigrants and social security & medicare - Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #56

How many viewers who do not pay attention to truthful news will recognize or reject Trump's lies? Trust_Reality Jun 2024 #103

And 36% of DU think Biden will win by over 10 points Polybius Jun 2024 #35

It's June ColinC Jun 2024 #105

Just look at how DU is reacting Polybius Jun 2024 #109

DU is operating on the assumption that optics is everything and substance is nothing ColinC Jun 2024 #125

Because when Trump lost to Hillary and Biden, he often times looked like a raging maniac Polybius Jun 2024 #131

It appears so far, at least, that Trump looking like a pathological liar would've taken hold of headlines if not for l ColinC Jun 2024 #145

I couldn't agree more. Frank D. Lincoln Jun 2024 #146

he is a reality douche bag RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2024 #40

Trump was definitely "on his game" tonight.... DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #41

I could hear the people across the way cheering everything Trump said Mr.Bee Jun 2024 #44

I'm lost with people who insist the string of bullshit they saw from Trump tonight was some kind of victory bigtree Jun 2024 #43

No thinking person would ever vote for Trump - Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #57

these folks don't agree with you bigtree Jun 2024 #67

I'd rec 1000 times if I could. Focus groups def saw thru Trump. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #83

Right! Cha Jun 2024 #118

Hadn't heard about the Univision Focus Group. Excellent news! emulatorloo Jun 2024 #119

Yes, it's like other people were concentrated Cha Jun 2024 #120

You got that right... emulatorloo Jun 2024 #121

Dang, someone ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #46

They Never Saw The Movie 'Citizen Kane' Mr.Bee Jun 2024 #50

I agree Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #49

Let's see if I got that right: Democrats supported him all the way through both primaries and supported hi to ... marble falls Jun 2024 #51

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #52

You need to admit Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #87

You are a confused sort. You join up just to cut the President over a so-called debate. Show me I'm wrong ... marble falls Jun 2024 #89

Yes. Trump is a ruthless, dangerous sociopath. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #54

Didn't watch iamnoone Jun 2024 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #58

Go away! LW1977 Jun 2024 #61

This....X 1,000! PortTack Jun 2024 #81

Democrats are saying it all over social media womanofthehills Jun 2024 #93

Username checks out n/t kcr Jun 2024 #68

Mirt! obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #70

Absolutely! His job is to go on stage, talk shit, and look good while doing it. In It to Win It Jun 2024 #62

I don't think we underestimate dipshit much, we underestimate those voters who would even give him a second thought Cheezoholic Jun 2024 #66

I've seen many, many DU posts: Trump is gonna flee the country. Trump isn't gonna show up. LeftInTX Jun 2024 #156

I will. He ain't going nowhere lol. And the problem isn't so much HIM, he's a flare up of the disease that has festered Cheezoholic Jun 2024 #157

Don't forget: MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #75

I just donated to Joe. Fuck the orange turd! He lies, he cheats, he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. C Moon Jun 2024 #76

He's a liar, rapist, a narcissist and "has the morals of an alleycat." Swing voters saw thru his "performance" emulatorloo Jun 2024 #78

"He's a Performer" DarthDem Jun 2024 #79

Yeah swing voters in focus groups said the same thing. Hated the lying and refusal to answer questions. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #85

Double Post DarthDem Jun 2024 #80

I never underestimate big money, red state voter suppression, fascist judges/ courts, foreign influence ImNotGod Jun 2024 #82

THIS orangecrush Jun 2024 #144

Trump is a narcisistic corrupt sociopath, but... AdamGG Jun 2024 #88

I am reminded of Ronnie quakerboy Jun 2024 #90

That wasn't a debate Blue Full Moon Jun 2024 #99

I can't blame this on CNN. Think we'll feel better after reflection, but CNN let them fight over Silent Type Jun 2024 #104

It's impossible to debate someone Aussie105 Jun 2024 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #108

Past time for that GenThePerservering Jun 2024 #113

You want to absolutely 100% ensure that Trump wins? kcr Jun 2024 #117

A highly skilled con man, who is widely known or proven to be a con man, should not get air time. Trust_Reality Jun 2024 #114

Yes Dem4life1234 Jun 2024 #122

Local Australian TV station drank the FOX kool aid . . . Aussie105 Jun 2024 #123

Trump had a great debate performance TheFarseer Jun 2024 #127

I just hope for anyone watching they stuck around longer than 15 minutes. So many have very short... OneGrassRoot Jun 2024 #129

Joe can recover from this. it's still early in the election season. nt Teapot_Biscuit Jun 2024 #132

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #136

Agree, overconfidence is our biggest enemy. republianmushroom Jun 2024 #133

I thought Trump's slurring words and verbal conflations were a setup all along bucolic_frolic Jun 2024 #139

Whine, weep, sob, bitch. moan... Jean Genie Jun 2024 #142

With all due respect, recognizing him for the vulgar, cognitively challenged, lying sack of shit that he is is Martin68 Jun 2024 #143

I really hated the smug look on his face and nodding and acting like louis-t Jun 2024 #147