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47. The biggest flaw

Fri Jun 28, 2024, 01:23 AM

Jun 2024

The biggest flaw of the Democratic Party in the last 10 years is that it tries to force people to vote for Candidate A by threat of what will happen if they don't. It's the same tactic they've used on non-White voters for about 60 years. Eventually it stops working.

All Biden had to do tonight was inspire voters.

That's literally it.

How many voters do you think decided tonight that they are going to vote for him as a result of the debate tonight?

You can yell and curse all you want. But it doesn't help.

Biden wins EVERY debate on the facts. Trump is a liar. He needs to inspire voters.

I am as left as they come. And I am DEEPLY concerned about a Trump presidency. And I'm DEEPLY concerned about the result of the debate tonight. I'm also DEEPLY concerned that Biden may drag down Senate races and get us stuck with a 40 year old Alito and Thomas replacement by Trump.

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This forum has lost it. [View all] edisdead Jun 2024 OP

People are shocked and scared. They need some time to calm down Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #1

Couldn't have said it any better. orange jar Jun 2024 #5

Thanks for your "concern" LW1977 Jun 2024 #13

+1000nt WarGamer Jun 2024 #29

I am going to capture and KILL the fucking groundhog who ate my entire garden DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #36

Only in my fantasies would I murder rabbits, but if I see one more Croney Jun 2024 #226

This Hieronymus Phact Jun 2024 #81

I think you should watch it pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #186

Why? Hieronymus Phact Jun 2024 #193

A lot can happen in 4 weeks. We have 4 MONTHS to go. Yes, lets see. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #136

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #187

calm down tmars505 Jun 2024 #159

I am perfectly calm. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #175

Its silly acting like everyone will be in the same state at the same age. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #207

We are NOT going to lose. Trump defines the word S**T. Stuart G Jun 2024 #2

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Shall we just surrender right now?? DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #38

YES MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #176

No we shouldn't surrender pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #189

Oh yeah. It'd be historic. It'd be a historic landslide LOSS. DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #197

Yes, I have a suggestion. Butterflylady Jun 2024 #194

You see these? My guess is no. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #66

Listen to the audio. I was surprised to hear how much mahina Jun 2024 #75

I watched a couple minutes of it last night doc03 Jun 2024 #128

I don't think that Biden or the Democratic Party wnylib Jun 2024 #79

They are not opponents kansasobama Jun 2024 #204

I agree claudette Jun 2024 #227

thanks . AllaN01Bear Jun 2024 #3

THANK YOU orangecrush Jun 2024 #4

It's just a few people, some of whom just joined Ocelot II Jun 2024 #6

And some people MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #11

And report the people who sound lke they belong on true republic Trueblue1968 Jun 2024 #26

No it hasn't. demmiblue Jun 2024 #7

This forum gets it. Kid Berwyn Jun 2024 #167

You sound like a coach in the locker room at half time surfered Jun 2024 #8

Long time youth coach edisdead Jun 2024 #22

And that's exactly what we need to do. And will do. wnylib Jun 2024 #82

Joe's stutter reappeared tonight RussBLib Jun 2024 #9

Newsome was great! 'worry less, do more' are words to live by. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #54

Hakuna Matata (Sp?) Teapot_Biscuit Jun 2024 #122

Did you watch the debate? ecstatic Jun 2024 #10

I wrote about this a while ago Colgate 64 Jun 2024 #20

The format of this debate was not at all good for him. rpannier Jun 2024 #32

He did sweep the floor with il douche with the KPN Jun 2024 #162

I said to my husband the other night Jilly_in_VA Jun 2024 #202

Joe needed to show himself more to the American public, explaining his achievements as well as his plans for the next 4 llmart Jun 2024 #155

Did you read my post edisdead Jun 2024 #23

I've thought for awhile that Claire and yorkster Jun 2024 #37

It's all about the reasons you lose the debate. Rafi Jun 2024 #55

McCaskill pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #118

Other than the senior moment happy feet Jun 2024 #125

We have no way of knowing how much yorkster Jun 2024 #140

Rwers will be delighted at all the posts they can crib from. shrike3 Jun 2024 #219

Claire and Nicolle briefly just lost their nerve. It'll come back to them once the initial impression wears off. CTyankee Jun 2024 #158

You may be right. Hope that's the case. yorkster Jun 2024 #161

Performance in a debate doesn't really have that much to do with DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #46

Did you check out any of the undecided voter focus groups? Maybe you should emulatorloo Jun 2024 #63

Thank you, em. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #147

Do you remember Obama's first debate with Romney? wnylib Jun 2024 #85

Waiting for someone Traildogbob Jun 2024 #129

Agree completely. wnylib Jun 2024 #157

Agreed pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #117

The truth is... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #121

You're absolutely right. WE aren't the audience. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #208

Evreyone reacts ForgedCrank Jun 2024 #12

Joe has a cold which can slow down even a healthy old person. CTyankee Jun 2024 #14

Ah, that explains his voice... Violet_Crumble Jun 2024 #17

A bad cold vs. an evasive blizzard of lies Zambero Jun 2024 #67

Ah. That explains a lot. Iris Jun 2024 #137

It is inexcusable valleyrogue Jun 2024 #15

For Biden to pull ahead, he must allievaite Doodley Jun 2024 #16

Trump is the old man. Biden must "alleviate" his cold. Anyone "concerned" about the narrative caves to ageism and fear. ancianita Jun 2024 #28

A "cold" doesnt give us what we got. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Jun 2024 #163

Trolls are out in force...... getagrip_already Jun 2024 #19

Noticed that too Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #89

The ones with high post counts are more troubling, to be honest Prairie Gates Jun 2024 #144

This debate will be a dim memory for most Americans in a few short weeks. WDLAL Jun 2024 #21

Democrats have to do whatever it takes to win this election Martin Eden Jun 2024 #24

THANK YOU FOR "FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT." ancianita Jun 2024 #25

Hear hear! karin_sj Jun 2024 #27

Agree. We need to get out talking points ready and get going. MaryMagdaline Jun 2024 #30

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Bullshit. Ocelot II Jun 2024 #39

Fuck that. I'm with Joe all the fucking way Trump is fucking shit. SoFlaBro Jun 2024 #44

of course Trump is shit. somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #99

Someone alert on this bullshit, please! VMA131Marine Jun 2024 #68

Do so. You know where the button is... Hekate Jun 2024 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #95

Google or look it up on you tube what Gavin Newson has to say to ppl like you. PortTack Jun 2024 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #98

Newsom claudette Jun 2024 #115

Gee thanks for setting us all straight. Drum Jun 2024 #33

Yes. Shaming and scolding shocked/fearful people is not the right strategy. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #127

k & R! nilram Jun 2024 #34

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2024 #35

During the debate I had 16 different people texting with me - all big supporters of Biden Pachamama Jun 2024 #40

See post #76! PortTack Jun 2024 #78

Shame on me? Pachamama Jun 2024 #84

We shouldn't be afraid to discuss legitimate issues/problems. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #210

This message was self-deleted by its author DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #221

Welcome to the club! oldsoftie Jun 2024 #225

I guess these "avid supporter" have no idea what going into an open convention would mean. Chaos. It is JohnSJ Jun 2024 #83

You are entitled to your opinion as are others Pachamama Jun 2024 #87

Let me ask you one question. Are any of those intelligent people not going to vote for Biden? JohnSJ Jun 2024 #91

It's not that they won't vote for Biden - they will indeed Pachamama Jun 2024 #96

I am not attacking you, I am just disagreeing with your assessment. To call a race JohnSJ Jun 2024 #105

Agreed on all your points Pachamama Jun 2024 #108

Let's hope for the best, and GOTV JohnSJ Jun 2024 #110

Indeed Pachamama Jun 2024 #111

It's not just the vote WordsFromOurSponsor Jun 2024 #165

The future - anything is possible. Frank D. Lincoln Jun 2024 #198

Yes! I totally agree with you 100% FakeNoose Jun 2024 #215

There wouldnt be an open convention. That would be foolish. oldsoftie Jun 2024 #211

This message was self-deleted by its author somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #100

But Joe isn't going to step down kcr Jun 2024 #103

See Post#96 n/t Pachamama Jun 2024 #109

Well, ok kcr Jun 2024 #114

I think there are many loyal Dems feeling the same way. honest.abe Jun 2024 #131

The Biden stepping aside bamagal62 Jun 2024 #41

Agreed kcr Jun 2024 #104

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #42

Trump isn't going to do you a damn bit of good. GenThePerservering Jun 2024 #45

You're really thinking about voting for Trump? orange jar Jun 2024 #48

No. He can't vote from Russia. C Moon Jun 2024 #97

Oh, do we have the '24 version of JPR here to spread their AllyCat Jun 2024 #164

They had a star membership. orange jar Jun 2024 #195

OMG. I actually have a list of folks I think might out AllyCat Jun 2024 #196

you seem nice Celerity Jun 2024 #62

Why? Dem4life1234 Jun 2024 #65

What maga website did you take that screed from? William769 Jun 2024 #69

Is it the same guy you voted for in 2016 and 2020? FHRRK Jun 2024 #70

Hitler? C Moon Jun 2024 #94

We keep going GenThePerservering Jun 2024 #43

The biggest flaw Fearless Jun 2024 #47

Good and fair post. Biden is the best president I've seen in my lifetime and that started with Truman. jaxexpat Jun 2024 #133

K&R x 1000000000000000000 onecaliberal Jun 2024 #49

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #50

Biden does not have dementia videohead5 Jun 2024 #61

Agreed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #88

Actually anyone over 65 has some level of "dementia" dwayneb Jun 2024 #142

Mental acuity intelpug Jun 2024 #178

Haven't used it but from everything I read it is snake oil dwayneb Jul 2024 #229

You think the RW crazies aren't right now eating up what you're saying? Did a really good thing did you? PortTack Jun 2024 #80

It's not the people on this site that are the problem. jalan48 Jun 2024 #51

People that pay little attention to politics aren't paying attention now either. W_HAMILTON Jun 2024 #52

+++++ emulatorloo Jun 2024 #57

Have you been following the focus groups of undecideds/swing voters? emulatorloo Jun 2024 #59

He has my support! Dem4life1234 Jun 2024 #53

Exactly!! wss2001 Jun 2024 #56

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Not looking too good for Trump's election. Undecided and swing voter focus groups: emulatorloo Jun 2024 #71

It's not looking to goood for you. William769 Jun 2024 #73

Get out there! sandyd921 Jun 2024 #60

Gavin doesn't need to come, neither do I Nimble_Idea Jun 2024 #64

Amen, ed. It has been rough around here for months, but I believe we will survive& thrive.... Hekate Jun 2024 #72

Not just this forum, but your point stands. Grokenstein Jun 2024 #77

TY Not some of us. Cha Jun 2024 #86

I back Biden all the way. He has stood by us and I am standing by him. camartinwv Jun 2024 #90

I totally agree with you, edisdead! HeartsCanHope Jun 2024 #92

You never agree to debate a would-be authoritarian anglesphere Jun 2024 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #101

Yup! Lemon Lyman Jun 2024 #102

+++ JohnSJ Jun 2024 #106

:-) Lemon Lyman Jun 2024 #107

The hack happened in 2016, you've only been here since last year. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2024 #112

Everyone pause-take a deep breath kevink077 Jun 2024 #113

Good advice pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #119

Everyone's Concern Roy Rolling Jun 2024 #116

Not what I saw pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #120

He was sick JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #126

Anyone remember Abstractartist Jun 2024 #123

I got my original account banned for way less Diraven Jun 2024 #124

Curious, isn't it? shrike3 Jun 2024 #218

I totally agree Sunsky Jun 2024 #130

Thank you! WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2024 #132

i'm sure the RW websites are on fire this morning citing posts from this forum with the heading "Liberals are panicking Lanius Jun 2024 #151

The whole debate was awful. A farrago of lies from the convicted felon ms liberty Jun 2024 #134

The histrionic forum Woodwizard Jun 2024 #135

imagine running away from Biden accomplishments and the incumbency MistakenLamb Jun 2024 #138

Bury your head in the sand,... Mr. Mustard 2023 Jun 2024 #139

Voice of reason - thanks! pattyloutwo Jun 2024 #183

And what candidate would that be? shrike3 Jun 2024 #217

Replacing a candidate at this point would be a herculean effort. shrike3 Jun 2024 #216

agreed poozwah Jun 2024 #141

Exactly Right. The term is .... relayerbob Jun 2024 #143

I get it. When I was younger every little thing seemed like the best or the worst thing that could happen. This is Martin68 Jun 2024 #145

This ... Cosmocat Jun 2024 #146

Yeah Democrats and progressives really need to grow a pair and stop freaking out. Biden will recover. Lanius Jun 2024 #148

The problem isn't committed Democrats iemanja Jun 2024 #150

I don't agree. A committed Democrat isn't necessarily a Biden supporter. But that's just my experience. Lanius Jun 2024 #188

Makes it easier to point fingers while whistling past the graveyard that way. TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #205

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You misinterpreted my post. Progressives aren't all Democrats, even if they usually vote for Democrats. Lanius Jun 2024 #191

Problem is vankuria Jun 2024 #149

We were not alone. NH Ethylene Jun 2024 #152

MSNBC was a disgrace last night, especially Jen Psaki Lanius Jun 2024 #153

We all witnessed and experienced the horrors of 2017-2021. LonePirate Jun 2024 #154

This nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2024 #160

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #156

I love how people think that if they control speech on DU iemanja Jun 2024 #166

Big difference between legitimate concern over his ability to GOTV and wanting him to drop out JT45242 Jun 2024 #168

"Biden is our candidate." THSAT IS CORRECT. The choice is between an honest & decent man, Biden, who has done Escurumbele Jun 2024 #169

Used the work "fuck" 11 times. Very cool. n/t SpankMe Jun 2024 #170

Now THAT is a pep talk! CaptainTruth Jun 2024 #171

Sing it! megapuzzler Jun 2024 #172

Bravo! blue-wave Jun 2024 #173

Totally agree FelineOverlord Jun 2024 #174

On what basis do you assume people here aren't interested in volunteering? brooklynite Jun 2024 #192

I can see undecideds not voting for either candidate, which is probably a win for trump. Silent Type Jun 2024 #177

Seriously, last night was a definite L, and I accept that. Initech Jun 2024 #179

Scold me for being honest, what happened last night was bad. dem4decades Jun 2024 #180

h/t couldn't agree more! TheSame_TurnTwo363 Jun 2024 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Jun 2024 #184

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #185

NO. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #199

Joe Biden!!!! wolfie001 Jun 2024 #190

Stay calm and GET OUT THE VOTE FakeNoose Jun 2024 #200

thank you. barbtries Jun 2024 #201

re: " If I cannot find enthusiasm for our president and candidate here, what is the point of coming here at all?" thesquanderer Jun 2024 #203

This can lead to less "discussion", and to making the threads more of a "spin room". DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #222

I'd vote for Biden's corpse over the orange asshole. Having said that I think after the horrible debate we're in big OverBurn Jun 2024 #206

Yes, you're overreacting. :) It's ok to worry a little, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #223

Thanks, I needed that. Wish Joe had been that good in the debate. Horrible timing for a cold. We can win! OverBurn Jun 2024 #228

The Difference Between Repub and Dem "Leaders"? modrepub Jun 2024 #212

K & R Jon Ace Jun 2024 #213

"sell sell sell the fucking message" Silent3 Jun 2024 #214

"why are YOU here?" To help us win DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #220

Well said Aviation Pro Jun 2024 #224

Not a star Linda ladeewolf Jul 2024 #230