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Igel

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40. What's pertinent to the topic at hand.
Fri Jun 28, 2024, 10:13 PM
Jun 2024

I like original documents, not what somebody outraged at what somebody outraged said based what a political or ideological foe said the Bad Person said. And I like original documents in context

From the original memo:

The Bible is one of the most historically significant books and a cornerstone of Western civilization, along with the Ten Commandments. They will be referenced as an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the like, as well as for their substantial influence on our nation’s founders and the foundational principles of our Constitution. This is not merely an educational directive but a crucial step in ensuring our students grasp the core values and historical context of our country.


Had the link to the pdf, closed the window but failed to copy the link (and can't find it again--pretty much nobody cites original sources, just themselves and 4th parties so I feel like I'm in a hall of mirrors doing searches). Anyway, /rant off/.

I don't see chemistry in there or how dildos influenced the Constitution (but I'm sure if you ignore context and are creative enough, you can find references--and if you can't, well, then we can talk about silence).

But did it influence the role of women and children? Arguably, although that's rather a cross-cultural thing so maybe it's just substratum and largely predates Xianity in Common Law. However, if you read about arguments for slavery in the Ante-bellum South and read about the "mark of Cain," or saying that African-descended folk are punished as descendants of Ham, good luck not referencing the Bible. (Oh, noes, they're preaching religion! But they're not preaching, they're teaching what those making that argument believed, and why. Teachers are free to condemn it, and few current Xians would do more than shake their heads in disbelief; mind you, those who would support the preaching side of it are (1) subject to admin correction and (b) probably already actively racist in the classroom, so it's more of the same--and subject to admin correction.)

It's the same for teaching Locke in history or the Quran when discussing the Islamic conquest and its sequelae, or even Hamas. Don't get the context, you don't understand the whys. Unless you have your own pre-packaged whys that explain everything based on what you believe, and that's easy, feels good, gain followers, but it's unethical teaching (by my lights). I may not agree with those dead, long- or otherwise. But I think they deserve the dignity to be understood on their own terms as their own individuals, not on ours terms with attributed goals and thoughts. I don't condemn Newton because he didn't understand the photoelectric effect or QED--he helped get us there. Good for him.

Now, it's a different argument as to whether he can issue this diktat when the SCO (SC/OK) said districts clearly determine their own educational resources. He can't, so consider his directive "suggestion" and not "directive."

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Definitely Old Testament mean shit. pwb Jun 2024 #1
If I was a teacher in Oklahoma, could I take the Ron Swanson approach? Initech Jun 2024 #2
Ezekiel 16:17. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #3
you would make a great teacher rurallib Jun 2024 #4
Sure, if I didn't get sucked into all that idol business Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #5
Or this: Ocelot II Jun 2024 #8
Hmm, Trump supporters might like that part about the bowel movement Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #10
Not "bowel movements." Movement of the interior of the abdomen, such as orgasm. Hekate Jun 2024 #16
Too confusing, that whole thing needs a re-write. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #18
There have been several re-writes, in all languages. The Roman Catholics have their version... Hekate Jun 2024 #33
Shakespeare sometimes didn't understand Shakespeare Wednesdays Jun 2024 #24
Poetry. Took me a long time to understand "He laughs at scars that never felt a wound." Hekate Jun 2024 #34
Never thought about the connection between the King James Version and the Bard. Abolishinist Jun 2024 #43
What a great question. As far as I know they don't. Hekate Jun 2024 #44
I don't understand this bible lesson. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #12
I think the lesson is Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #17
Oh for god's sake is this for real? Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #20
They're going to have a hell of a time teaching all of this to second graders. Xavier Breath Jun 2024 #21
Oh boy. Christian religion classes are sure interesting. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #23
Just one question CanonRay Jun 2024 #27
They came from other tribes. Over there. Each answer leads to another question, doesn't it? Hekate Jun 2024 #35
Eventually, yes CanonRay Jun 2024 #41
The Bible said Adam had many sons and daughters. former9thward Jun 2024 #39
Well, Sister Jesczewina didn't know, or wouldn't say CanonRay Jun 2024 #42
That is not what that section of the Old Testament is about. former9thward Jun 2024 #38
in honor of trump, thou shalt not commit adultery nt msongs Jun 2024 #6
I believe the law says the Bible must be included in all lessons ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2024 #7
Exactly, accelerant+ignitor+fuel. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #15
"If a woman doesn't cry out it is not rape and she will be stoned to death" Autumn Jun 2024 #9
I think they should start with Song of Solomon.😂nt Phoenix61 Jun 2024 #11
Very popular with adolescents Hekate Jun 2024 #36
It certainly won't include BigMin28 Jun 2024 #13
The Song of Songs. Really beautiful poetry, but R-rated Hekate Jun 2024 #14
Um, which bible? nt TBF Jun 2024 #19
During which classes will they teach it in? LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #22
So long as it's the Old Testament. None of this "woke" New Testament stuff. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2024 #25
Acts: the holding all things in common verses ... sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #26
My personal favorite -- Job 1:6-12, where Satan hangs with God & they ruin Job's life and murder his family on a bet 0rganism Jun 2024 #28
Selective Bible lessons... The Slave Bible keithbvadu2 Jun 2024 #29
Ok, settle down, Kindergartners Ishoutandscream2 Jun 2024 #30
Genesis 32-36 " Let's get our father to drink wine and then 4139 Jun 2024 #31
Fav Buybull verse: Sibelius Fan Jun 2024 #32
Selective Bible lessons 2... Beating your babies keithbvadu2 Jun 2024 #37
What's pertinent to the topic at hand. Igel Jun 2024 #40
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