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thesquanderer

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39. Yes, that link is where the 180k figure comes from. I was asking about the other 820k.

Sun Jun 30, 2024, 11:54 AM

Jun 2024

Gun deaths did go up in the Trump years, but even if you attributed 100% of the increase to poor Trump policies, it doesn't make much of a dent in that figure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/258913/number-of-firearm-deaths-in-the-united-states/

(and "among so many other things"... examples?)

Saying "how can you vote for someone who caused a million deaths" is not going to fly if (a) it's not true, or (b) it's true but nobody knows it.

Meanwhile, I have a relative who indeed believes Trump's claims that Ukraine and Oct 7 would not have happened if Trump were in the WH (Ukraine because she thinks Putin feared Trump's response! And Oct 7 because she said Biden provided money to Iran that Trump was holding up, and that money was used to finance Hamas. I suspect these are Fox talking points.) The point is that while we are pinning (some number) of deaths on Trump, the other side is pinning a whole bunch of (Ukranian and Palestinian) deaths on Biden.

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What is disgusting to me is the failure among some to rally behind a very successful President because of one bad night [View all] JohnSJ Jun 2024 OP

This! mcar Jun 2024 #1

I'm with you. A lot of it was optics and we can blame much of that on CNN Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #2

Well for me the "optics" were a decent guy under the weather vs a deranged lying autocrat wannabe. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #5

The debate accomplished one of Biden's main goals wnylib Jun 2024 #18

They screwed around with Howard Dean's candidacy too. nt The Unmitigated Gall Jun 2024 #8

Who are "they" and what did they do? nbsmom Jun 2024 #71

"The Dean Scream"... The Unmitigated Gall Jun 2024 #74

The recordings of the "Dean. scream" used a highly summer_in_TX Jun 2024 #76

I will NEVER forget BlueMTexpat Jul 2024 #94

They Did The Same Thing To Jimmy Carter DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #97

CNN? former9thward Jun 2024 #90

I'll chime in and say what I read on another post: blue-wave Jul 2024 #92

One of the rules (by the Biden campaign) was no fact checking. former9thward Jul 2024 #98

We're being trolled and some of us have bought into it. Joe Biden/Kamala Harris all the way! marble falls Jun 2024 #3

Yes. It's not surprising to me WHO those individuals are. For example: Cenk Unger * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #4

+++++++ emulatorloo Jun 2024 #6

I suspect more than a few are RFK or other third-party supporters valleyrogue Jun 2024 #14

Bernie himself is still sending us emails pretty frequently - he supports Joe! TBF Jun 2024 #25

Of course Bernie supports Joe... that's the Bernie we all know and love!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #62

It's the way the media piled on - that's what I found disgusting FakeNoose Jun 2024 #7

But whatabout age... Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #48

So what's your point? FakeNoose Jun 2024 #57

You pointed out the media piling on; my post provides further evidence of just that. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #63

OK sorry I'm so touchy FakeNoose Jun 2024 #72

Understandable. It's a bad time for me to try a dry, sarcastic reply title. Sorry. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #73

I cannot believe anyone could misinterpret Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2024 #96

Rather than just 'make Biden lose'-- now they are trying to push him OUT DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #64

You're looking at the wrong things Terry_M Jun 2024 #9

It would be beyond insane to change nominees at this late date. Totally and completely insane. Deek1935 Jun 2024 #11

Do you have data behind this? Terry_M Jun 2024 #23

How did George McGovern look after dropping his VP pick, Tom Eagleton, late in 1972? DFW Jun 2024 #65

History strongly suggests that when a party does not re-nominate its incumbent president, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #67

Yes. Thank you for the explanation LeftInTX Jun 2024 #69

Read this in it's entirety..Ignore the headline LeftInTX Jun 2024 #68

If there is a "soft Democratic voter" that even considers a third party candidate in JohnSJ Jun 2024 #12

They'd rather support a rapist who killed a million people with his lies. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #16

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #20

Even I don't know where "killed a million people with his lies" is coming from. thesquanderer Jun 2024 #22

trump will counter with BS that more people died from Covid under Biden, even though they had the vaccine. Silent Type Jun 2024 #32

The ignorance and stupidity is burning us all. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #33

Yes, that link is where the 180k figure comes from. I was asking about the other 820k. thesquanderer Jun 2024 #39

Joe Biden is much more than a very successful president, gab13by13 Jun 2024 #10

And nobody who lost received more votes than Trump TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #78

The debate is over. People need to move on. valleyrogue Jun 2024 #13

This! onecaliberal Jun 2024 #17

I forgot who said this but, I've always tried to keep this phrase in mind.... chouchou Jun 2024 #15

Yes, DV1 Jun 2024 #21

Welcome to DU! Ligyron Jun 2024 #28

But the candidates have! In particular - one of them. NM Grins Jun 2024 #19

Failure to acknowledge a problem does not help garybeck Jun 2024 #24

So what do you suggest Gary? An open convention? Telling those JohnSJ Jun 2024 #30

It wont. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #54

Thanks for your input, and I agree. Unless President Biden decides to drop out, which he has given no indication JohnSJ Jun 2024 #59

Precisely! Thats why we need to REDOUBLE our efforts instead of runnin scared like the Dem media pundits are doin... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #66

quite true, but - 1) I think the 'problem' is well overblown stopdiggin Jun 2024 #40

I agree. hay rick Jun 2024 #45

Is there anyone here not rallying behind Joe? ananda Jun 2024 #26

Yes, there is no other choice. The election is between Biden and trump, and wishing it were otherwise is not JohnSJ Jun 2024 #31

Yes. There are many. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #34

Yup. They're frightened. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #27

ok, but in the end if it is between Biden and trump, they are going to vote for Biden I strong suspect. JohnSJ Jun 2024 #37

It's sickening. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #56

Biden has been a great President IbogaProject Jun 2024 #29

We will know better in a week or so how this effects the election. Ligyron Jun 2024 #35

I agree Progressive dog Jun 2024 #36

I totally agree w/you! jrthin Jun 2024 #38

Something else Beck23 Jun 2024 #41

I agree. But, I'll admit I turned away from it that night in discouragement and with anxiety. Texin Jun 2024 #42

I don't think there is much choice. All indications are President Biden JohnSJ Jun 2024 #43

Changing candidates would be a huge crises for the party LeftInTX Jun 2024 #52

THIS!!! calimary Jun 2024 #44

i personally wish there was more unity and understnainding. Are we united in wanting and needing to win this slection? somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #46

We need to be realistic and still support our canndidate dlk Jun 2024 #47

+1000 we can do it Jun 2024 #49

Totally agree! Hikerchick57 Jun 2024 #50

The success of posts like this vs posts that you're talking about is encoruaging ColinC Jun 2024 #51

Nobody on DU is trying to suppress support for Biden TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #79

One problem is that the media is saturated with commentaries totodeinhere Jun 2024 #53

I'm really pissed at the media. The DNC is against what they are saying for good reason. LeftInTX Jun 2024 #61

K&R for, it's happened before - they hounded Ed MUSKIE and Howard DEAN over nothings UTUSN Jun 2024 #55

We need to remember that most of the "discouraged" are not real... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #58

Claire McCaskill disagrees TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #80

There is no pig. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #85

Sorry to burst that bubble, but I am real and discouraged; also very worried. (eom) ClickClack Jun 2024 #83

I do not feel disgust at those that want to strategize. DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #60

I was wrong and panicked initially alarimer Jun 2024 #70

You miss the point Playingmantis Jun 2024 #75

THIS (eom) ClickClack Jun 2024 #84

Excellent post Duncanpup Jun 2024 #77

The pearl clutching is ridiculous. The country is booming because of JoeB, fuck the perception of a "bad" debate. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2024 #81

There's never a shortage of shallow, fair-weather pundits and voters dlk Jun 2024 #82

This.... Yorkist Jun 2024 #91

Here, here! duckworth969 Jun 2024 #86

Absolutely bignutz1 Jun 2024 #87

Let's see how much the democrats took in for this month. People pull SupportSanity Jun 2024 #88

Yes...disappointing...even more so that there were posters right here on DU doing it! PortTack Jun 2024 #89

A typical bad night in a debate is if one candidate didn't best his opponent, wasn't totally on top of his game. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #93

Defeating Trump is the number one goal... Silent3 Jul 2024 #95