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DemocraticPatriot

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67. History strongly suggests that when a party does not re-nominate its incumbent president,

Sun Jun 30, 2024, 01:19 PM

Jun 2024

they will fail to win the General Election.

It hasn't been done since 1856, when the Democratic party ditched Franklin Pierce over slavery issues, and instead nominated James Buchanan, who hadn't been involved in the fight over the Kansas-Nebraska Act and other slavery issues because he had been serving overseas as an ambassador...

As far as 'hard data' goes, any and all polling on possible Democratic alternative nominees done over the past year has shown ALL of them running behind President Biden versus Trump in a general election.

Further, if President Biden withdraws, all of those many millions of dollars he raised for his campaign are essentially lost-- it is not legal to simply transfer it to another presidential candidate--- so any alternate would be back to square zero as far as money is concerned.

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What is disgusting to me is the failure among some to rally behind a very successful President because of one bad night [View all] JohnSJ Jun 2024 OP

This! mcar Jun 2024 #1

I'm with you. A lot of it was optics and we can blame much of that on CNN Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #2

Well for me the "optics" were a decent guy under the weather vs a deranged lying autocrat wannabe. emulatorloo Jun 2024 #5

The debate accomplished one of Biden's main goals wnylib Jun 2024 #18

They screwed around with Howard Dean's candidacy too. nt The Unmitigated Gall Jun 2024 #8

Who are "they" and what did they do? nbsmom Jun 2024 #71

"The Dean Scream"... The Unmitigated Gall Jun 2024 #74

The recordings of the "Dean. scream" used a highly summer_in_TX Jun 2024 #76

I will NEVER forget BlueMTexpat Jul 2024 #94

They Did The Same Thing To Jimmy Carter DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #97

CNN? former9thward Jun 2024 #90

I'll chime in and say what I read on another post: blue-wave Jul 2024 #92

One of the rules (by the Biden campaign) was no fact checking. former9thward Jul 2024 #98

We're being trolled and some of us have bought into it. Joe Biden/Kamala Harris all the way! marble falls Jun 2024 #3

Yes. It's not surprising to me WHO those individuals are. For example: Cenk Unger * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #4

+++++++ emulatorloo Jun 2024 #6

I suspect more than a few are RFK or other third-party supporters valleyrogue Jun 2024 #14

Bernie himself is still sending us emails pretty frequently - he supports Joe! TBF Jun 2024 #25

Of course Bernie supports Joe... that's the Bernie we all know and love!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #62

It's the way the media piled on - that's what I found disgusting FakeNoose Jun 2024 #7

But whatabout age... Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #48

So what's your point? FakeNoose Jun 2024 #57

You pointed out the media piling on; my post provides further evidence of just that. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #63

OK sorry I'm so touchy FakeNoose Jun 2024 #72

Understandable. It's a bad time for me to try a dry, sarcastic reply title. Sorry. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #73

I cannot believe anyone could misinterpret Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2024 #96

Rather than just 'make Biden lose'-- now they are trying to push him OUT DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #64

You're looking at the wrong things Terry_M Jun 2024 #9

It would be beyond insane to change nominees at this late date. Totally and completely insane. Deek1935 Jun 2024 #11

Do you have data behind this? Terry_M Jun 2024 #23

How did George McGovern look after dropping his VP pick, Tom Eagleton, late in 1972? DFW Jun 2024 #65

History strongly suggests that when a party does not re-nominate its incumbent president, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #67

Yes. Thank you for the explanation LeftInTX Jun 2024 #69

Read this in it's entirety..Ignore the headline LeftInTX Jun 2024 #68

If there is a "soft Democratic voter" that even considers a third party candidate in JohnSJ Jun 2024 #12

They'd rather support a rapist who killed a million people with his lies. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #16

Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #20

Even I don't know where "killed a million people with his lies" is coming from. thesquanderer Jun 2024 #22

trump will counter with BS that more people died from Covid under Biden, even though they had the vaccine. Silent Type Jun 2024 #32

The ignorance and stupidity is burning us all. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #33

Yes, that link is where the 180k figure comes from. I was asking about the other 820k. thesquanderer Jun 2024 #39

Joe Biden is much more than a very successful president, gab13by13 Jun 2024 #10

And nobody who lost received more votes than Trump TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #78

The debate is over. People need to move on. valleyrogue Jun 2024 #13

This! onecaliberal Jun 2024 #17

I forgot who said this but, I've always tried to keep this phrase in mind.... chouchou Jun 2024 #15

Yes, DV1 Jun 2024 #21

Welcome to DU! Ligyron Jun 2024 #28

But the candidates have! In particular - one of them. NM Grins Jun 2024 #19

Failure to acknowledge a problem does not help garybeck Jun 2024 #24

So what do you suggest Gary? An open convention? Telling those JohnSJ Jun 2024 #30

It wont. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #54

Thanks for your input, and I agree. Unless President Biden decides to drop out, which he has given no indication JohnSJ Jun 2024 #59

Precisely! Thats why we need to REDOUBLE our efforts instead of runnin scared like the Dem media pundits are doin... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2024 #66

quite true, but - 1) I think the 'problem' is well overblown stopdiggin Jun 2024 #40

I agree. hay rick Jun 2024 #45

Is there anyone here not rallying behind Joe? ananda Jun 2024 #26

Yes, there is no other choice. The election is between Biden and trump, and wishing it were otherwise is not JohnSJ Jun 2024 #31

Yes. There are many. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #34

Yup. They're frightened. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #27

ok, but in the end if it is between Biden and trump, they are going to vote for Biden I strong suspect. JohnSJ Jun 2024 #37

It's sickening. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2024 #56

Biden has been a great President IbogaProject Jun 2024 #29

We will know better in a week or so how this effects the election. Ligyron Jun 2024 #35

I agree Progressive dog Jun 2024 #36

I totally agree w/you! jrthin Jun 2024 #38

Something else Beck23 Jun 2024 #41

I agree. But, I'll admit I turned away from it that night in discouragement and with anxiety. Texin Jun 2024 #42

I don't think there is much choice. All indications are President Biden JohnSJ Jun 2024 #43

Changing candidates would be a huge crises for the party LeftInTX Jun 2024 #52

THIS!!! calimary Jun 2024 #44

i personally wish there was more unity and understnainding. Are we united in wanting and needing to win this slection? somaticexperiencing Jun 2024 #46

We need to be realistic and still support our canndidate dlk Jun 2024 #47

+1000 we can do it Jun 2024 #49

Totally agree! Hikerchick57 Jun 2024 #50

The success of posts like this vs posts that you're talking about is encoruaging ColinC Jun 2024 #51

Nobody on DU is trying to suppress support for Biden TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #79

One problem is that the media is saturated with commentaries totodeinhere Jun 2024 #53

I'm really pissed at the media. The DNC is against what they are saying for good reason. LeftInTX Jun 2024 #61

K&R for, it's happened before - they hounded Ed MUSKIE and Howard DEAN over nothings UTUSN Jun 2024 #55

We need to remember that most of the "discouraged" are not real... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #58

Claire McCaskill disagrees TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #80

There is no pig. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #85

Sorry to burst that bubble, but I am real and discouraged; also very worried. (eom) ClickClack Jun 2024 #83

I do not feel disgust at those that want to strategize. DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2024 #60

I was wrong and panicked initially alarimer Jun 2024 #70

You miss the point Playingmantis Jun 2024 #75

THIS (eom) ClickClack Jun 2024 #84

Excellent post Duncanpup Jun 2024 #77

The pearl clutching is ridiculous. The country is booming because of JoeB, fuck the perception of a "bad" debate. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2024 #81

There's never a shortage of shallow, fair-weather pundits and voters dlk Jun 2024 #82

This.... Yorkist Jun 2024 #91

Here, here! duckworth969 Jun 2024 #86

Absolutely bignutz1 Jun 2024 #87

Let's see how much the democrats took in for this month. People pull SupportSanity Jun 2024 #88

Yes...disappointing...even more so that there were posters right here on DU doing it! PortTack Jun 2024 #89

A typical bad night in a debate is if one candidate didn't best his opponent, wasn't totally on top of his game. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #93

Defeating Trump is the number one goal... Silent3 Jul 2024 #95