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In reply to the discussion: That feminist poster and mixed messages [View all]bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Because I do think a lot of men's education should go beyond being informed of the letter of the law. And aside from a few OPs from those with stellar upbringings, many men do not learn this from family or friends. And sadly many women are taught to think (from crap chick flicks) that freakish persistence is only a sign of being super romantic:
"The fourth point: If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.
Theres a man with whom I went out on a single dateafternoon coffee, for one hour by the clockon July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again. It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?
Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.
(snip.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I dont know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope hes not. But he is certainly Schrödingers Rapist, and this particular Schrödingers Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a womans NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.
So if you speak to a woman who is otherwise occupied, youre sending a subtle message. It is that your desire to interact trumps her right to be left alone. If you pursue a conversation when shes tried to cut it off, you send a message. It is that your desire to speak trumps her right to be left alone.And each of those messages indicates that you believe your desires are a legitimate reason to override her rights.
For women, who are watching you very closely to determine how much of a threat you are, this is an important piece of data."
http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodingers-rapist-or-a-guys-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/