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68. It wasn't bad enough to sway The Donald's way.

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i know i'm pissing into the wind, even here on du, but i refuse to concede that biden even lost the debate. [View all] unblock Jul 2024 OP

Right on Easterncedar Jul 2024 #1

Me too. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #2

Biden. Told. The. Truth. BaronChocula Jul 2024 #3

That's not the basis. brooklynite Jul 2024 #6

To convince "undecided" voters whether B.See Jul 2024 #79

"Debate performance was disastrous" -- Quentin Fulks, Deputy Campaign Manager brooklynite Jul 2024 #4

Frankly, Quentin, orangecrush Jul 2024 #15

The media's performance and the idiotic reaction from a few key democrats is what was disastrous unblock Jul 2024 #22

When you're talking to your major donors who are now skittish, honesty is appreciated brooklynite Jul 2024 #25

"Disastrous" is not honesty. "Didn't bring his 'a' game" or "could have done better" is honesty. unblock Jul 2024 #28

"Didn't bring his 'a' game" or "could have done better" isn't honesty, it's understatement. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2024 #45

read the transcript. "disastrous" is so dishonest as to be a lie. unblock Jul 2024 #54

We couldn't have lost, look at the stats. We outgained them by 300 yards and won the turnover battle! TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #78

The transcript is evidence that Biden did fine unblock Jul 2024 #81

re: "read the transcript. 'disastrous' is so dishonest as to be a lie." thesquanderer Jul 2024 #88

Then say I hear that you were disappointed in his performance unblock Jul 2024 #89

How a debate team or anyone working for Joe could NOT try and prevent him from all Eliot Rosewater Jul 2024 #51

If he was sick they should have postponed the debate. Period. beaglelover Jul 2024 #73

It was a disaster. No one I know who watched the debate did NOT call it a disaster for Biden. beaglelover Jul 2024 #72

Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn. 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #84

I think on substance, Biden won easily due to the mountain of lies from his opponent. LonePirate Jul 2024 #5

Agree. Biden is being judge on the optics only-- h2ebits Jul 2024 #37

People judge debates by what they saw and heard, not by reading a transcript. n/t thesquanderer Jul 2024 #42

All they have to do is compare transcripts. live love laugh Jul 2024 #7

You are not in the minority. marble falls Jul 2024 #8

The debate was like playing chess with a pigeon MerrilyMerrily Jul 2024 #34

I honestly think anyone who intends to vote in Nov. knows right now how they're going to vote - ,.. marble falls Jul 2024 #82

grading on integrity, truthfulness, having a plan to govern the country Pres Biden won the debate hands down. nt ImNotGod Jul 2024 #9

He only lost if one judges form over substance. GoCubsGo Jul 2024 #10

Many ordinary voters DO rate form over substance. brooklynite Jul 2024 #20

I wouldn't even call it a debate. NoveltySocks Jul 2024 #11

I'm with you pfitz59 Jul 2024 #23

Amen. rog Jul 2024 #12

I'm staying with Biden and plan to dance in the streets on November 6th kimbutgar Jul 2024 #13

We are orangecrush Jul 2024 #14

OP is correct. A narcissistic con man uses narcissistic abuse. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #16

Bingo! jmbar2 Jul 2024 #49

You're not alone Bitbit Jul 2024 #17

If a debate is based on content and fact, instead of on appearances and form, lees1975 Jul 2024 #18

Biden lacked oomph, but the transcript tells a different tale LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #19

YES. elleng Jul 2024 #27

Mike Flynn created the MAGA narrative, speculating suegeo Jul 2024 #32

I think he did what he was advised to do... kentuck Jul 2024 #21

He didn't lose on substance. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #24

He DIDN'T, elleng Jul 2024 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #29

Unfortunately, a majority of voters SCantiGOP Jul 2024 #30

Because that's what the press has been telling them? Or did they see/hear it for themselves? n/t thenelm1 Jul 2024 #36

It's like January 6 SCantiGOP Jul 2024 #71

Slight correction JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #31

Winning the battle but losing the war Metaphorical Jul 2024 #33

You are not alone. I'm right there with you. ananda Jul 2024 #35

Same Lulu KC Jul 2024 #38

Also... duncang Jul 2024 #39

He didn't lose on substance but on optics. Bev54 Jul 2024 #40

Taking a page from Rs in days gone by.... markbark Jul 2024 #41

Same here Raven123 Jul 2024 #43

That's what those in power should have done. LisaL Jul 2024 #44

Nobody won the debate Rocknation Jul 2024 #46

Counterpoint: If you're debating an idiot, and you don't win, in a sense, you've lost. thesquanderer Jul 2024 #47

It wasn't a debate, it was a Q*A session, which was all TFG would do Warpy Jul 2024 #48

Spot on! StarryNite Jul 2024 #50

I was in Accounts Psyable for a major manufacturer and retailer during ms liberty Jul 2024 #52

Nope, I completely agree with you -- Biden won the debate obamanut2012 Jul 2024 #53

Nonstop spewage of lies and insults from Orange Boy. I'll go with the honest guy with low energy anyday Evolve Dammit Jul 2024 #55

Governing is not like debating on a stage. Turbineguy Jul 2024 #56

If you consider which candidate gave the most facts markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #57

If they take Joe off the ballot, this will be the first election ever that I will have not voted in ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #58

CSPDT Jean Genie Jul 2024 #59

If this was an actual debate, I'd agree with you Kaleva Jul 2024 #60

For the Debate part of that Event I agree Biden won LostOne4Ever Jul 2024 #61

Yup Lemon Lyman Jul 2024 #62

According to Gov Gavin Newsom and others, Joe won hands down on content even if he lost on optics. ancianita Jul 2024 #63

I'm right there with you on that!!! citizen blues Jul 2024 #64

I only saw the last third of the debate. Staph Jul 2024 #65

Agree Hikerchick57 Jul 2024 #66

Me too #67!! n/t BlueGreenLady Jul 2024 #67

It wasn't bad enough to sway The Donald's way. czarjak Jul 2024 #68

Biden had to suffer the presence of that lying moron LilyBelle Jul 2024 #69

I haven't had my butt kicked yet today so here I go. flashman13 Jul 2024 #70

Biden didn't lose it at all. Trump DID, bigly. n/t valleyrogue Jul 2024 #74

It wasn't a debate. It was optics to influence public perception. Martin Eden Jul 2024 #75

Trump did not win. He got beat up bad after the debate. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #76

Me, too. blm Jul 2024 #77

I said right after the debate that Joe won. I Emile Jul 2024 #80

omfg Skittles Jul 2024 #83

I feel ya, I didn't think Obama lost his first debate with Romney. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #85

Now you're talking! Saoirse9 Jul 2024 #86

There is no way I would EVER vote for Dump. roamer65 Jul 2024 #87

He didn't. GoodRaisin Jul 2024 #90

President Biden answered questions. traitortrump avoided answering any question... Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #91

Kick Niagara Jul 2024 #92

In any case wryter2000 Jul 2024 #93