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Bernardo de La Paz

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45. It is foolish to transpose speculation into belief without facts. There are NO facts pointing to a conspiracy
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:26 PM
Jul 2024

There is only idle speculation and unfounded conjecture and a lot of open questions.

The fact that a cop climbed up the ladder to the roof and retreated when threatened with a gun is almost as odd as the roof being available to the shooter.

If you are going to assert anything more than incompetence in securing obvious points outside of the security perimeter, then you have to provide some shred of evidence. Evidence of incompetence is not automatically evidence of malice.

To believe in a conspiracy without specific evidence of conspirators and conspiratorial transactions / communications, then it is to believe in unicorns and kraken.

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YES. Immediately. n/t CousinIT Jul 2024 #1
Me too! Bobstandard Jul 2024 #34
Yeah I did for a split second but didn't want to feel conspiratorial unless I learned the facts kimbutgar Jul 2024 #2
Me Metaphorical Jul 2024 #3
I said it out loud. viva la Jul 2024 #4
Initially, yes, before I knew of the other casualties. rsdsharp Jul 2024 #5
Trump wouldn't be part of a Reichstag Fire plot, but I could see sinister forces within the GOP involved in it. sop Jul 2024 #11
Kid was not a good shot Jilly_in_VA Jul 2024 #17
Hitler wasn't in the Reichstag when they set it on fire. rsdsharp Jul 2024 #32
Well, he got pretty damned close... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #48
Just heard a news report moments ago that revealed B.See Jul 2024 #53
That could have been an excuse for someone who is not socially accepted, Scruffy1 Jul 2024 #123
He was a fucking amazing shot Orrex Jul 2024 #110
Still not absolutely sure that was a gunshot wound Jilly_in_VA Jul 2024 #116
I've seen it asserted on DU that the bullet is visible in a photo after hitting shithead's ear Orrex Jul 2024 #117
"Other" krkaufman Jul 2024 #61
Perhaps not, but putting Trump in the target zone would not be a wise, or safe, decision rsdsharp Jul 2024 #74
Right? That's some Crocodile Dundee-level marksmanship. Orrex Jul 2024 #118
I still think it was Jilly_in_VA Jul 2024 #6
The word Reichstag never crossed my mind wnylib Jul 2024 #24
No more talk about Project 2025 maynard Jul 2024 #38
The Biden-Harris campaign will make a big issue out of Project 2025 GoreWon2000 Jul 2024 #51
It is foolish to transpose speculation into belief without facts. There are NO facts pointing to a conspiracy Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #45
The OP asked what our immediate first thoughts were, before any facts niyad Jul 2024 #57
I wasn't scolding the OP for that (their OP). I was scolding post #6 which clings to a fact-free myth after time passed Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #65
. . . . niyad Jul 2024 #70
. . . . Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #73
That a cop retreated when he saw a man with a rifle is not odd. rsdsharp Jul 2024 #93
yep poozwah Jul 2024 #7
I didn't immediately think about this BlueYonder Jul 2024 #8
Removed slowly bc tRump resisted SS so he could get his fist bump photo op. 3 times to ensure it Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #42
AND... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #59
We also have the evidence from Jan 6 that tRump will fight agents protecting him in the SUV. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #66
The smiling version of that photo is photoshopped. crickets Jul 2024 #95
SERIOUSLY?!!? GiqueCee Jul 2024 #96
It took the Secret Service BlueYonder Jul 2024 #121
No I was thinking Operation Valkyrie SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #9
When I saw the pic with the two streaks of blood on his face, I immediately thought of "the sting" unblock Jul 2024 #10
Bullet from an AR-15 hits his ear krkaufman Jul 2024 #56
He's lying TommyT139 Jul 2024 #63
NO. Teleprompters, all intact afterwards btw, where IN FRONT of the podium. brush Jul 2024 #103
So far, it appears you are correct about this. I was in error in my earlier post about this. DFW Jul 2024 #107
Await the investigation TommyT139 Jul 2024 #120
cut himself on the floor. fat head crushed ear tip on foor Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #69
No. Vid/pic evidence contradicts your allegation. It was bleeding before he was taken down. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #77
cut ear on floor. fat head crushed ear tip when it hit floor Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #71
No. Vid/pic evidence contradicts your allegation. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #78
Lump fell to floor Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #80
He didn't fall. He ducked after touching his injured ear. Please don't make stuff up. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #83
that fat lump didn't fall to floor ? Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #86
The fat lump did not fall to the floor. The video is clear about that. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #89
dont do MSM since 2000. catch "news" from places Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #90
If the video is from a smart phone but is clear and uninterrupted, use that Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #91
While I immediately considered this among many explanations, unblock Jul 2024 #12
Nah Jilly_in_VA Jul 2024 #18
this will fade. four months is a long time. unblock Jul 2024 #25
He may be worried about a rift at the MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #30
Yes. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #13
I agree with you Jilly_in_VA, I can't get that screaming toothless maga out of headgiving the finger and screaming FY debm55 Jul 2024 #14
I looked for assassination attempts on hitler before he ruled Gremany Marthe48 Jul 2024 #15
Spent yesterday in Berlin... ucralum Jul 2024 #16
I don't see the comparison Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #20
My first thought was fake or staged. ecstatic Jul 2024 #21
Me immediately and I still do gopiscrap Jul 2024 #22
What? You think tRump put himself in sights of 20 yo w rifle who promised to just nick him? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #40
That was my first thought. NoveltySocks Jul 2024 #23
Everything he does is always about his stupid "optics" Blue Owl Jul 2024 #26
ZERO thought. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #27
Nope. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #28
Not all youth is stupid and uneducated GenThePerservering Jul 2024 #29
That one was though. And sure seems to me he was set up, and IMO the... brush Jul 2024 #104
Neither. I thought of Fanny Kaplan and Squeaky Fromme Vogon_Glory Jul 2024 #31
And Sara Jane Moore. Tried to assassinate Gerald Ford. no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #62
Not at all. Xolodno Jul 2024 #33
why limit to "younger DUers"? onethatcares Jul 2024 #35
I thought of "Bob Roberts" ChicagoRonin Jul 2024 #36
Count me in. gibraltar72 Jul 2024 #37
That's why smart DU members don't go off half-cocked and post half-baked speculation right after an event. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #39
I'm chagrined by my first reaction and dobleremolque Jul 2024 #41
Nope. We have plenty of daily examples of how this happens. chowder66 Jul 2024 #43
What news was reported that suggested that could have been a possibility? Kaleva Jul 2024 #44
Yep CitizenZero Jul 2024 #46
Me. And most of my friends out here in the physical world. We are old and VERY niyad Jul 2024 #47
Cynicism is not a replacement for facts. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #75
Once again, dear heart, the OP's question was, what was our FIRST thought when niyad Jul 2024 #81
Once again, dear heart, my reply was not to the OP. In this case it was to you and your post Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #84
Your responses are more interesting and amusing by the minute. niyad Jul 2024 #87
This is good. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #88
Me! Wicked Blue Jul 2024 #49
Here's the latest gossip I've heard from the internets... AntiFascist Jul 2024 #50
Others think him a patsy delivering sympathy event. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #60
For that to work, wouldn't tfg have to be President? Kaleva Jul 2024 #52
Immediately obamanut2012 Jul 2024 #54
my first thought went to Kali Jul 2024 #55
I did, almost immediately. virgdem Jul 2024 #58
Not me TexLaProgressive Jul 2024 #64
Also CitizenZero Jul 2024 #67
I didn't think it was a political stunt, to change the dynamics of the race... Omnipresent Jul 2024 #68
Yep, immediately. not fooled Jul 2024 #72
Yes. Codifer Jul 2024 #76
No. My first thought was in Maxwell Smart's voice. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #79
Not me... regnaD kciN Jul 2024 #82
Goes with the territory. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #85
Yes - I posted that it almost seem like the shooter tried to miss Chump FakeNoose Jul 2024 #92
Yep Deep State Witch Jul 2024 #94
Not me. valleyrogue Jul 2024 #97
Yup orangecrush Jul 2024 #98
I admit I did. returnee Jul 2024 #99
I'll be honest: I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. brooklynite Jul 2024 #100
So back in the day SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #105
"I believe most conspiracy theories are bunk" brooklynite Jul 2024 #106
My point is not all conspiracies are true SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #109
i didnt..does that make me young? samnsara Jul 2024 #101
Me too. Scruffy1 Jul 2024 #122
Not me claudette Jul 2024 #102
It Took Me RobinA Jul 2024 #108
Absolutely kwolf68 Jul 2024 #111
Not only did I think it, I said it, and texted it. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #112
That Codifer Jul 2024 #113
I don't buy CTs in general. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #114
That is the question. Codifer Jul 2024 #115
My first thought was "holy shit I hope the shooter is Republican." Orrex Jul 2024 #119
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