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babylonsister

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Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:51 AM Jul 2024

"He Wanted Violence. He got it." [View all]

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He Wanted Violence. He got it.
Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 1:21:34p EDT
RenaRF
Trump's persistent anger and incitement to violence is deliberate. It just backfired.


I tried to put this thought together yesterday in a short story, but with more time today, I really want to delve into how many times Trump has explicitly called for violence either as President or as a former President and Presidential candidate. The over-arching point is going to be this: when you call for violence, you get it — just not always in the way you wanted it. So let’s begin.

July 2017 — Trump encourages law enforcement to be rough/violent with potential offenders, opines at a rally (publicly) for police to "Please don't be too nice."
October 2018 — At a public rally, Trump praises violence committed against a reporter by then Rep. Greg Gianforte.
October 2019 — Trump asks if migrants can be “[shot] in the legs” and asks for a cost estimate for filling the water where migrants cross with alligators, among other things.
May 2020 — Trump posts on Twitter "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" in response to George Floyd protests.
June 2020 — Trump wants George Floyd protesters outside of the White House shot. "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"
August 2020 — Trump wants to send the National Guard into Portland OR to meet protestors with violent force.
September 2020 — During a Fox “News” interview, Trump praises the law enforcement extra-judicial killing of Michael Reinoehl in Portland, stating “there has to be retribution”.
September 2020 — Given the opportunity during the Presidential debate, Trump doubles down and tells extremist right wing groups to “stand back and stand by”.
January 2021 — Trump incites the J6 crowd to violence by stating "you'll never take back our country with weakness" after telling the crowd to go to the Capitol.
September 2023 — Trump states that General Mark Milley should be executed for a post-J6 phone call to reassure China, calling it “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH” in a post on his failing social media platform.
October 2023 — In a speech to CA Republicans, Trump says “...If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store."
October 2023 — In the same speech as above, Trump mocks Paul Pelosi who was violently attacked a year prior, tacitly condoning the violence.
October 2023 — In one of his many mandatory courtroom appearances, Trump targets Tish James for violence stating “I don’t think the people of this country are going to stand for it … This is a disgrace. And you ought to go after this attorney general.”
January 2024 — Trump promises “big, big trouble” and “bedlam in this country” if the Federal case against him for plotting to overturn the 2020 election proceeds.
March 2024 — During an Ohio GOP campaign event, Trump says, “Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it.”
April 2024 — Trump suggests that there will be violence if he doesn’t win: “I think we’re going to win. And if we don’t win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election.”


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Another thing that needs to be said is this: Trump, his sycophants and mindless MAGA followers are just FINE with violence being directed at “them”. “They” are:

Immigrants & Migrants
Anyone non-Christian of any citizenship status
Anyone who appears non-white
Anyone who identifies as or relates to those in the LGBTQIA+ community
Anyone who is for abortion rights
Anyone who wants to regulate assault weapons
Anyone who isn’t in the Qult
Anyone who doesn’t worship Trump


I’m sure the above list should be longer, but in short, anyone who isn’t walking around in a MAGA hat carrying big MAGA flags, etc. So… everyone else. Without glorifying yesterday’s events, I have to say: it’s… interesting to see them realize that their violent rhetoric — their preferred targets of violence (which is what they crave, violence against their “enemies”) — flipped against them yesterday. I’ll repeat: violent rhetoric is heard and you can’t control who hears it, how they take it, how/if they act on it, and who that violence will be aimed at. The irony is strong in this observation. They asked for it, they got it. It’s still wrong, it shouldn’t have happened, but it did and it’s their own language and rhetoric that caused it. Full stop.

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"He Wanted Violence. He got it." [View all] babylonsister Jul 2024 OP
Kick! Raven Jul 2024 #1
This sounds awfully like someone is blaming the victim hueymahl Jul 2024 #2
Yeah the same victim who once said maybe the 2nd amendment people could act against Hillary Clinton padah513 Jul 2024 #5
If we were talking about a young woman hueymahl Jul 2024 #8
Strawman AZLD4Candidate Jul 2024 #18
But we're not happy feet Jul 2024 #43
We are not discussing that...stay on subject or move on, please. MiHale Jul 2024 #47
Maybe. NH Ethylene Jul 2024 #63
no, but that's not comparable to what we're talking about here -- imagine instead that a guy buys a fireworks store fishwax Jul 2024 #71
Not justifying the shooting duhneece Jul 2024 #23
and this specific act of violence was done by a young person who has said to have been bullied for years Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #52
When Chump was president he certainly was "Bully in Chief" FakeNoose Jul 2024 #55
Yes, this is called karma and is a universal law. One does in fact reap what one sows. Not always as fast PatrickforB Jul 2024 #77
Oh please... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #6
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #9
Sounds like you just like to instigate arguments... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #13
Just pointing out hypocrisy hueymahl Jul 2024 #14
Hypocrisy. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2024 #19
Fixed it hueymahl Jul 2024 #27
Apparently... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #20
It is NOT a dichotomy Farmer-Rick Jul 2024 #30
You're not holding us to higher standards. intheflow Jul 2024 #44
You're such a hero Lanius Jul 2024 #50
Hypocrisy mamacita75 Jul 2024 #70
And it sounds like you're defending babylonsister Jul 2024 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author DemMedic Jul 2024 #10
Violence occasionally is the answer... PCIntern Jul 2024 #24
Nat Turner commited violence. I guess his slave revolt was wrong too. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2024 #36
Sooooooo. . .you have a problem with listing out all the hateful rhetoric he niyad Jul 2024 #32
Strawmen arguments are fun to defeat, aren't they? AZLD4Candidate Jul 2024 #37
True. But annoying to have to do it before breakfast. niyad Jul 2024 #38
Agreed. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2024 #42
Oh, please. Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #45
Sometimes The Victim RobinA Jul 2024 #65
Stop uponit7771 Jul 2024 #74
Justifying? I saw it as explaining. Gore1FL Jul 2024 #75
Was Mussolini a 'victim'? SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #79
Yeah, it is nt GenThePerservering Jul 2024 #80
But the MSM is using both sider meme nt doc03 Jul 2024 #3
this was inevitable and it wont be the last attempt.. samnsara Jul 2024 #4
Agree. He gleefully spread the infection of violence for his personal advancement--it caught up with him. Timeflyer Jul 2024 #7
K&R UTUSN Jul 2024 #11
Great OP malaise Jul 2024 #12
Yep. twodogsbarking Jul 2024 #15
Pumping his little fist in the air and saying fight Emile Jul 2024 #16
And doing it while a dead man lay on the ground behind him wnylib Jul 2024 #56
He is a sick fuc.. Emile Jul 2024 #57
I wonder if Trump is aware the ultra-right wants him dead? mainer Jul 2024 #21
I see a Night of the Long Knives coming geardaddy Jul 2024 #62
And this is just an echo of what he posts Tesha Jul 2024 #22
KNR and bookmarking. Handy to have it all in one place. niyad Jul 2024 #25
To lighten the disagreements here between members, is there anyone else Wonder Why Jul 2024 #26
Not sure claudette Jul 2024 #28
There have been unsubstantiated reports that NORAD did warn tRump that karma was spotted flying over PA ImNotGod Jul 2024 #29
Exactly Farmer-Rick Jul 2024 #33
The right doesn't care Docreed2003 Jul 2024 #31
He sure did. AngryOldDem Jul 2024 #34
I feel about as much sympathy for him ChazInAz Jul 2024 #41
Right there with ya, ChazInAz. calimary Jul 2024 #66
Right there with ya, AngryOldDem! calimary Jul 2024 #67
A great title for a book might be "Backfire" n/t AntiFascist Jul 2024 #68
Grim Reaper Brachylagus Jul 2024 #35
Now trump is going DownriverDem Jul 2024 #39
"live by violence ----" azureblue Jul 2024 #40
The media nowforever Jul 2024 #49
I can find only one source of that claim wnylib Jul 2024 #59
K&R onecaliberal Jul 2024 #46
Kick.❤️ littlemissmartypants Jul 2024 #48
The rhetoric is clear and will certainly be on full display this week at their convention - TBF Jul 2024 #51
exactly Tertullian Jul 2024 #53
Every other jackwagon in the country has an assault rifle now. Ask the kids dad why he thought he needed one? brewens Jul 2024 #54
women . 1 iota different. people of color . people on the forefront of change . the rs come after you. AllaN01Bear Jul 2024 #58
this will be the excuse quakerboy Jul 2024 #60
Matthew 26:52 (nt) Richard D Jul 2024 #61
NOW he's at the RNC today, like teflon. Their own political violence language & rhetoric will continue. ancianita Jul 2024 #64
i like leaders who don't get shot at IbogaProject Jul 2024 #69
if you plant ice, you're going to harvest wind fishwax Jul 2024 #72
Recommend. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #73
Trump says it's ok to shoot migrants in timms139 Jul 2024 #76
good catalog of many things Trump has said to incite violence. Chuck_T Jul 2024 #78
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