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SunSeeker

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85. We're not talking about glass. We're talking about metal or plastic shrapnel.

Thu Jul 25, 2024, 10:28 AM

Jul 2024

From WPXI News out of Pittsburgh, PA:

“Four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade...suffered minor injuries during the shooting...the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out...the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby."

It appears likely that the shrapnel that hit the cops surrounding Trump was also what hit Trump. It is very unlikely that Trump's ear was hit by an AR-15 bullet, since his ear is still on his head. Snopes really dropped the ball on this story. I think with Wray's testimony, Snopes needs to edit their analysis.

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Wray casts doubt Trump struck by bullet [View all] Pototan Jul 2024 OP

When TSF said he was hit by a bullet, gab13by13 Jul 2024 #1

Shrapnel from what? former9thward Jul 2024 #4

That's not accurate. LisaL Jul 2024 #7

What was broken between the shooter and Trump's head? former9thward Jul 2024 #11

The photo with the streak, fargone Jul 2024 #18

There was tons of sound equipment on the stage, not to mention the metal stands themselves that could send off shrapnel. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #42

Excellent post, thanks! Brenda Jul 2024 #72

No, I will not stfu. former9thward Jul 2024 #120

Exactly what CTs are being spread about "shrapnel"? Brenda Jul 2024 #125

I'm gonna guess Pototan Jul 2024 #8

Really? former9thward Jul 2024 #10

When confronted with Trump's truthfulness Pototan Jul 2024 #12

That's the logical fallacy known as Appeal To Authority -- "He says so, so there!". . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #15

That's Not Always A Fallacy, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2024 #79

Yes, but it is a fallacy in this case. Though the chief knows more than us, there is Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #81

A light wasn't it? Katcat Jul 2024 #20

Scripps News fact-checked the teleprompter theory. summer_in_TX Jul 2024 #24

Bits of plastic, wood from the stage Retrograde Jul 2024 #56

The man who died was behind rump from the direction of the shooter thatdemguy Jul 2024 #106

it doesn't matter. Groundhawg Jul 2024 #2

Why not? newdeal2 Jul 2024 #3

The main fact is that there was an attempt to assassinate tRump Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #67

It does matter. Trump says the bullet grazed his ear, radius777 Jul 2024 #147

FACTS MATTER Skittles Jul 2024 #5

It may not matter to you Pototan Jul 2024 #6

Wow, you've really done it now. You've caught tRump telling a lie! Finally! Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #17

Not Really charliea Jul 2024 #32

"no images"? The pictures of the wound are available all over the web. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #62

An absolutely absurd hypothetical Pototan Jul 2024 #60

Oh, so now glass truthers think this is a popularity contest. Go right ahead and believe "recs" are truth. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #63

We post to convince others Pototan Jul 2024 #65

What happens is glass truthers attract glass truthers who "rec" Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #66

The OP does not even have any text from me Pototan Jul 2024 #68

Are you implying that we are not allowed to reply to you? Nonsense. "Doubt" is not "fact". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #69

Look, I don't know what you're driving at Pototan Jul 2024 #71

OK, thank you. Skepticism is fine, but so much of the glass truther writing accepts as facts things that are not. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #74

I agree Meowmee Jul 2024 #77

Yes it does canetoad Jul 2024 #9

Yes it Most Certainly Does Matter. Cha Jul 2024 #34

au contraire BoRaGard Jul 2024 #102

My theory is a KFC chicken bone fragment was stuck in his hair. BluesRunTheGame Jul 2024 #13

DRUMPF IS AN ACTOR FrenchCitizen Jul 2024 #14

Trump wasn't hit by a bullet Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #16

And the timing matters. calimary Jul 2024 #38

Does he still have an ear? Generic Brad Jul 2024 #19

Show us the ear, the first pics after it happened Bluethroughu Jul 2024 #21

The teleprompter was not broken. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #50

There was a lot of other equipment for the bullets to hit (metal bleachers, speakers). Shrapnel definitely went flying. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #84

Again, thanks for providing a news report of evidence of shrapnel. Brenda Jul 2024 #99

The teleprompter was not the only piece of equipment on the stage. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #87

I wasn't disputing that. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #138

The corner was, I saw it in a still picture on David Packman program. Bluethroughu Jul 2024 #96

Find a better picture and zoom in. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #137

The glass was not broken. Facts don't matter to glass truthers Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #64

We're not talking about glass. We're talking about metal or plastic shrapnel. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #85

Yes, the truthers are. I was responding to post 21 which claims the teleprompter was broken. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #86

Being skeptical of Trump's claim is not being a "truther." Wray isn't a truther. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #92

Thank you. Bluethroughu Jul 2024 #98

The fact that the doctors haven't spoke out oldmanlynn Jul 2024 #22

Actually all it probably reveals is that they were threatened if they revealed anything. summer_in_TX Jul 2024 #25

Just like all medical workers are defacto threatened SilasSouleII Jul 2024 #31

Exactly. summer_in_TX Jul 2024 #33

first, it is HIPAA Skittles Jul 2024 #49

Until they release the medical report we do not know what his injury was or what caused it. Ford_Prefect Jul 2024 #23

Whas that Dr Vinny Boombatz Jackson who treated him ? CentralMass Jul 2024 #30

This is what happens when people declare something before having all the facts Bev54 Jul 2024 #26

What's the big deal? pat_k Jul 2024 #27

In 2004 Pototan Jul 2024 #39

+1 OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2024 #46

Not sure it is an apt comparison. pat_k Jul 2024 #52

Fun fact GigiLeigh Jul 2024 #54

Good point Pototan Jul 2024 #57

The big deal is he LIED and said he "took a bullet for democracy"--to get sympathy votes. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #41

I get your point, however... pat_k Jul 2024 #45

He's using a lie to get votes. It's election fraud, like lying about Stormy. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #51

OK. pat_k Jul 2024 #53

even that wouldn't change anything. Groundhawg Jul 2024 #75

Acting like it's nothing certainly won't change anything. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #82

While children take bullets at schools because he advocates for high capacity guns Bluethroughu Jul 2024 #105

I posted this before, youtubers are testing this thatdemguy Jul 2024 #109

Because Trump is a cult leader SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #44

FACTS SHOULD MATTER Skittles Jul 2024 #48

In GQP/MAGA world it has moniss Jul 2024 #28

doesn't matter... myohmy2 Jul 2024 #29

If the marmalade shartcannon was struck by an actual bullet..... Brother Buzz Jul 2024 #35

Has anybody seen a close-up actual photo of his ear? KS Toronado Jul 2024 #36

Yes. The photo is readily available on the internet. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #88

For your 50,000 show us the ear , Congratulations on your milestone KS Toronado Jul 2024 #100

Thank you :) Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #101

Ear closeup. You can see a bit of white cartilage and two wounds, consistent with the trajectory of the bullet Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #107

In the last photo edhopper Jul 2024 #123

Nope. His right ear is in perspective lower than his left ear, because the camera is below ear level. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #124

I understand that edhopper Jul 2024 #126

The angle of the lens is considerably below the plane of ears, so yes, it would be that much Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #127

I worked it out edhopper Jul 2024 #130

It's possible, but I think the angles are not quite what you measure Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #139

You and me both edhopper Jul 2024 #140

Mind you edhopper Jul 2024 #132

Comparative photo misanthrope Jul 2024 #141

If an AR-15 bullet had pierced his ear, he wouldn't have an ear. I knew he was lying as soon as I saw his ear. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #37

Yep, his ear would have been turned into a bloody mist. Dave Bowman Jul 2024 #55

Nope. An ear is not an apple shot head on. Here's a side head wound. Head did not explode, no "mist" Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #89

So you agree with tRump that it was a bullet instead of a shrapnel? Dave Bowman Jul 2024 #91

It was a bullet. I have not depended on his statement, but tRump is not automatically wrong Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #93

So you're a bullet truther Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #108

Good post. Brenda Jul 2024 #110

Thanks Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #112

Well, DU has a reputation about "truthers." Brenda Jul 2024 #114

I would assume the FBI will figure it out Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #116

The FBI CAN say, but not yet, since investigation is ongoing Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #111

You're just repeating the same speculations Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #113

I could be wrong, but the photos and videos support the bullet but not shard. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #115

So you're "trutherish"? Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #117

Obviously on an opinion forum it is an opinion. I do not need to state that Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #121

Notice no apology forthcoming. Brenda Jul 2024 #118

Yep Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #119

"bullet truther"? See your post #108. YOU are the one mocking with the phrase "bullet truther", not me. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #122

There is NO WAY that hole was from an AR-15. Looks like a very small caliber handgun, or maybe a BB gun. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #142

There is no magical depth where less than it, little damage is done and more than it heads explode Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #143

I don't need to do a "thought experiment." What AR bullets do to the human body is well documented. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #144

Pro anatomy tip: ears have cartilage, no bone. Even tRump's ear. It makes a big difference Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #145

Pro tip: quit insulting your fellow Democrats. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #146

Nope. See post #89 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #90

Please provide a link. It's hard to find posts by number when on a phone. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #95

It's right there between your post and the one I replied to Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #97

Wow and this is the head of the FBI Cha Jul 2024 #40

Actually, Wray is a Trump appointee Pototan Jul 2024 #73

Oh Sorry.. I searched and it said "Bush".. Cha Jul 2024 #135

Was watching MSNBC when the attempted assassination occurred. PufPuf23 Jul 2024 #43

so is Trump not screaming about this yet Skittles Jul 2024 #47

Trump doesn't give passes to anyone except for his attempted assassin - what a saint Skya Rhen Jul 2024 #58

well he was a white male, and one of the GOP's own gun humping creations Skittles Jul 2024 #59

Maybe MFM008 Jul 2024 #61

The man killed was not behind him but to his left, between Trump and the shooter. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #94

He has not approved... Mike Nelson Jul 2024 #70

So the only fact we have is... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #76

I have always thought a supersonic bullet that close to his ear rzemanfl Jul 2024 #78

Who care? It's time to get over it. marble falls Jul 2024 #80

I'll never get over Trump's lies. NEVER. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #83

IF the medical report had stated "bullet wound" Ferrets are Cool Jul 2024 #103

D response should be "it is terrible that tRump was shot at, and it's important that we know Sibelius Fan Jul 2024 #104

Have a hard time believing D_Master81 Jul 2024 #128

And, so have many others. republianmushroom Jul 2024 #129

Why the bullet captured in the photo edhopper Jul 2024 #131

With all the confusion, I read the shooter fired 8 times, gab13by13 Jul 2024 #133

That's the first I heard about the hose on a lift truck hit and spewed Brenda Jul 2024 #134

A Wray of Hope that malaise Jul 2024 #136