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In reply to the discussion: Are the so-called Palestinian protestors supporting Palestinians or are they just supporting the convicted felon? [View all]Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)119. You are not joking, are you?
I's hard to tell when you are in denial of the source you never questioned before:
Mission report
Official visit of the Office of the SRSG-SVC to Israel and the occupied West Bank
29 January 14 February 2024
This report has been edited for the sake of its distribution to the public. Sensitive information
shared with the United Nations on a confidential basis has been withheld to respect the privacy,
safety and security of those who engaged with the mission team. In line with a survivor/victim-
centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed
--snip--
6. The attacks resulted in approximately 1,200 fatalities 2 and thousands of injuries,
predominantly among civilians. Based on information reviewed by the team, people were shot,
often at close range; burnt alive in their homes as they tried to hide in their safe rooms; gunned
down or killed by grenades in bomb shelters where they sought refuge; and hunted down on the
Nova music festival site as well as in the fields and roads adjacent to the festival ground. Other
violations included sexual violence, abduction of hostages and corpses, the public display of
captives, both dead and alive, the mutilation of corpses, including decapitation, and the looting
and destruction of civilian property. A total of 253 individuals, including some deceased, were
taken as hostages.
--snip--
12. Based on the information gathered by the mission team from multiple and independent
sources, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred
during the 7 October attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and
gang rape, in at least three locations. Across the various locations of the 7 October attacks, the
mission team found that several fully naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down were
recovered mostly women with hands tied and shot multiple times, often in the head.
Although circumstantial, such a pattern of undressing and restraining of victims may be
indicative of some forms of sexual violence.
13. At the Nova music festival and its surroundings, there are reasonable grounds to believe
that multiple incidents of sexual violence took place with victims being subjected to rape and/or
gang rape and then killed or killed while being raped. Credible sources described finding
murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were naked from their waist down and
some totally naked tied with their hands behind their backs, many of whom were shot in the
head. On Road 232, credible information based on witness accounts describe an incident of the
rape of two women by armed elements. Other reported instances of rape could not be verified in
the time allotted. The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies
from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232.
In kibbutz Reim, the mission team further verified an incident of the rape of a woman outside of
a bomb shelter and heard of other allegations of rape that could not yet be verified.
14. The mission team conducted a visit to kibbutz Beeri and was able to determine that at
least two allegations of sexual violence widely repeated in the media, were unfounded due to
either new superseding information or inconsistency in the facts gathered. These included a
highly publicized allegation of a pregnant woman whose womb had reportedly been ripped open
before being killed, with her fetus stabbed while still inside her. Other allegations, including of
objects intentionally inserted into female genital organs, could not be verified by the mission
team due in part to limited and low-quality imagery.
15. In kibbutz Kfar Aza, while reports of conflict-related sexual violence, including at least
one instance of rape, could not be verified, available circumstantial evidence may be indicative
of some forms of sexual violence. In this kibbutz, similarly to other locations, female victims
were found fully or partially naked to the waist down with their hands tied behind their backs
and shot.
16. In the Nahal Oz military base, the mission team reviewed reports of sexual violence
including a case of rape and genital mutilation, neither of which could be verified. With respect
to the latter instance, while the forensic analysis reviewed injuries to intimate body parts, no
discernible pattern could be identified, against either female or male soldiers. However, seven
female soldiers were abducted from this base into Gaza.
17. With respect to hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information that
some have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence including rape and
sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and it also has
reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing.
--snip--
26. The applicable standard of proof adopted by the mission team is one of reasonable
grounds to believe, consistent with the practice of investigative bodies, including those
established by the UN Security Council and Human Rights Council. The conclusions of the
mission team on how to meet the applicable standard of proof were based, in line with the
practices of these mechanisms, on its own assessment of the credibility and reliability of the
witnesses it met, verifying the sources and the methodology used in the reports and documents
produced by others, cross-referencing the relevant material and information, and assessing
whether, in all the circumstances, there was sufficient credible and reliable information [ ] to
make a finding in fact4 as to an incident, pattern, or trend of conflict-related sexual violence.
27. Although the primary standard of proof in this report is one of reasonable grounds to
believe, there have been occasions where more information has supported a finding of fact, and
the overall finding has therefore been stated to be established at the level of clear and
convincing information.
https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf
Official visit of the Office of the SRSG-SVC to Israel and the occupied West Bank
29 January 14 February 2024
This report has been edited for the sake of its distribution to the public. Sensitive information
shared with the United Nations on a confidential basis has been withheld to respect the privacy,
safety and security of those who engaged with the mission team. In line with a survivor/victim-
centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed
--snip--
6. The attacks resulted in approximately 1,200 fatalities 2 and thousands of injuries,
predominantly among civilians. Based on information reviewed by the team, people were shot,
often at close range; burnt alive in their homes as they tried to hide in their safe rooms; gunned
down or killed by grenades in bomb shelters where they sought refuge; and hunted down on the
Nova music festival site as well as in the fields and roads adjacent to the festival ground. Other
violations included sexual violence, abduction of hostages and corpses, the public display of
captives, both dead and alive, the mutilation of corpses, including decapitation, and the looting
and destruction of civilian property. A total of 253 individuals, including some deceased, were
taken as hostages.
--snip--
12. Based on the information gathered by the mission team from multiple and independent
sources, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred
during the 7 October attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and
gang rape, in at least three locations. Across the various locations of the 7 October attacks, the
mission team found that several fully naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down were
recovered mostly women with hands tied and shot multiple times, often in the head.
Although circumstantial, such a pattern of undressing and restraining of victims may be
indicative of some forms of sexual violence.
13. At the Nova music festival and its surroundings, there are reasonable grounds to believe
that multiple incidents of sexual violence took place with victims being subjected to rape and/or
gang rape and then killed or killed while being raped. Credible sources described finding
murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were naked from their waist down and
some totally naked tied with their hands behind their backs, many of whom were shot in the
head. On Road 232, credible information based on witness accounts describe an incident of the
rape of two women by armed elements. Other reported instances of rape could not be verified in
the time allotted. The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies
from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232.
In kibbutz Reim, the mission team further verified an incident of the rape of a woman outside of
a bomb shelter and heard of other allegations of rape that could not yet be verified.
14. The mission team conducted a visit to kibbutz Beeri and was able to determine that at
least two allegations of sexual violence widely repeated in the media, were unfounded due to
either new superseding information or inconsistency in the facts gathered. These included a
highly publicized allegation of a pregnant woman whose womb had reportedly been ripped open
before being killed, with her fetus stabbed while still inside her. Other allegations, including of
objects intentionally inserted into female genital organs, could not be verified by the mission
team due in part to limited and low-quality imagery.
15. In kibbutz Kfar Aza, while reports of conflict-related sexual violence, including at least
one instance of rape, could not be verified, available circumstantial evidence may be indicative
of some forms of sexual violence. In this kibbutz, similarly to other locations, female victims
were found fully or partially naked to the waist down with their hands tied behind their backs
and shot.
16. In the Nahal Oz military base, the mission team reviewed reports of sexual violence
including a case of rape and genital mutilation, neither of which could be verified. With respect
to the latter instance, while the forensic analysis reviewed injuries to intimate body parts, no
discernible pattern could be identified, against either female or male soldiers. However, seven
female soldiers were abducted from this base into Gaza.
17. With respect to hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information that
some have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence including rape and
sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and it also has
reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing.
--snip--
26. The applicable standard of proof adopted by the mission team is one of reasonable
grounds to believe, consistent with the practice of investigative bodies, including those
established by the UN Security Council and Human Rights Council. The conclusions of the
mission team on how to meet the applicable standard of proof were based, in line with the
practices of these mechanisms, on its own assessment of the credibility and reliability of the
witnesses it met, verifying the sources and the methodology used in the reports and documents
produced by others, cross-referencing the relevant material and information, and assessing
whether, in all the circumstances, there was sufficient credible and reliable information [ ] to
make a finding in fact4 as to an incident, pattern, or trend of conflict-related sexual violence.
27. Although the primary standard of proof in this report is one of reasonable grounds to
believe, there have been occasions where more information has supported a finding of fact, and
the overall finding has therefore been stated to be established at the level of clear and
convincing information.
Unless you claim with a serious face that this report is 100% without basis, I rest my case.
By all means, carry on with the deflecting.
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