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Emrys

(9,099 posts)
17. I'd have some sympathy with what you say and be prepared to cut Hayes some tentative slack,
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 04:23 PM
Aug 2024

if he hadn't, when cornered, DOUBLED DOWN.

It's there in the quote, for heaven's sake:

Lol are people really mad that I said the president of the US has a big ego? This a *definitional requirement* for being President of the United States! It's precisely *why* it's so hard to let go of power and why it's so remarkable that he did! Which was the point I made.


Hayes is and was absolutely not using "ego" in its positive connotations people have set out above, but conflating it with the idea of hubris: "excessive pride or self-confidence."

Biden is a proud man. He has much to be proud about. But that's never come across as his prime drive. He wasn't known as the poorest legislator in Congress for nothing, he didn't offer Obama unstinting loyalty and support for nothing, he hasn't handed over the reins to Harris with exceedingly good grace for nothing.

He's a rare bird, and in these cynical times, it's hard to trust appearances, but with Biden it's always been what you see is what you get - sometimes, as he in his humility has acknowledged, for better or worse. That's what makes him remarkable, even to an old cynic like me.

The media, apparently including Hayes, can't process that.

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Not gonna hate on Chris Hayes. [View all] AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 OP
Love Chris Hayes Prairie Gates Aug 2024 #1
Allow me to parse just a little. no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #2
Thank you for your perception, but respectfully disagree. I don't think he meant Biden was prideful. I think he used the AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #7
Understood and respected. no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #8
Did you actually listen to Hayes' comments. onenote Aug 2024 #18
I read another post. Can't remember if it was DU or X. no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #21
My post contains a link to a post embedded with his comments. onenote Aug 2024 #22
OK, I watched and I listened. no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #85
That Rebl2 Aug 2024 #38
Bullsit. Comparing Biden's ego with that of Trump as though identical? WTF is wrong with him? hlthe2b Aug 2024 #3
I don't view Hayes' comment as so negative WSHazel Aug 2024 #4
Comparing his ego equally with that of Trump's? Good gawd. I am glad you don't have problem with hlthe2b Aug 2024 #6
Your reply is gaslighting & false. AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #16
Attacking me or any othet DUer hlthe2b Aug 2024 #44
Huh? DiamondShark Aug 2024 #86
He compared Joe's ego with that of every president. So did Rachel, FWIW. onenote Aug 2024 #25
I'd have some sympathy with what you say and be prepared to cut Hayes some tentative slack, Emrys Aug 2024 #17
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but we must agree to disagree. nt AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #23
Next to claudette Aug 2024 #29
"Comparing Biden's ego with that of Trump as though identical" Is that what Chris Hayes did? Respectfully, I did not get AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #9
Respectfully, you NEED to go listen to the entire segment. Not the short clip. hlthe2b Aug 2024 #12
Respectfully, I did listen in real time. I felt the awkwardness immediately. I think the whole panel did. AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #20
Obviously you missed a LoT hlthe2b Aug 2024 #51
So did Hayes compare Pres Biden's ego to the TSF?! Cha Aug 2024 #71
After commenting on Biden's ego, he then goes into detail about Trump's--never drawing a distinction... hlthe2b Aug 2024 #75
Thank you. And Why did Hayes use "Titanic Ego".. That was a Tragic Disasster.. Cha Aug 2024 #78
Chris Hayes is so full of shit! He resents Biden for robbing someone else of the nomination * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #13
Absolutely. betsuni Aug 2024 #34
Yeah, Hayes is Full of Bullshhit.. and No One is Asking Anyone to hate on him Cha Aug 2024 #72
Rachel Maddow agreed that presidents have big egos. onenote Aug 2024 #19
She was clearly horrified and was trying to lighten the mood with some * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #37
Wrong. She was horrified but trying to defuse hlthe2b Aug 2024 #50
How do you know she was "horrified?" I don't think she was. onenote Aug 2024 #52
Her face. I have rewatched multiple times hlthe2b Aug 2024 #53
I also have watched it several times. In fact, I'm the one who posted a video of the exchange in this thread onenote Aug 2024 #61
She quickly interjected and her face was tense but as is her way she used self-deprecating humor to diffuse hlthe2b Aug 2024 #63
You and I watched the SAME clip and arrived at the SAME conclusion. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #66
Yes, Hayes' EGO Won't let him "apologize".. When Called out for Pushing Tara Reade's LIES.. Cha Aug 2024 #70
Yes... And after tons of blowback, he went on his X-account this am and LOL over the outrage while hlthe2b Aug 2024 #76
yeah While Hayes is Doubling Down he's Showing Off who has the Fucking Titanic EGO. Cha Aug 2024 #79
He can go **** himself awesomerwb1 Aug 2024 #5
Talk about having a big ego, inserting such an opinionated opinion of a person into your commentary... brush Aug 2024 #10
F*** Chris Hayes SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #11
Corporate shill ms liberty Aug 2024 #14
His history is irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #43
Yea, he doesn't need to apologize to anyone. I understood what he was saying ms liberty Aug 2024 #15
I can't imagine making a big deal of anything any tv pundit makes. But it seems like having a big Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #24
To me Joe Biden has a Big, Beautiful, Generous, Loving, Country-First, Democracy-First Ego. LOVE THAT MAN! AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #26
How do you know he meant it that way? claudette Aug 2024 #27
Chris supports Joe Biden, but was awkward in his expression. You & I must agree to disagree. nt AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #31
That's one strange way to show his support claudette Aug 2024 #32
It sounds like you might think it was a put-down or malicious. I don't. I think his words were well meaning & in support AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #33
?? claudette Aug 2024 #35
???? AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #40
I think we have a case of what happens when hacks need to fill dead air. Emrys Aug 2024 #36
Neither Chris Hayes, nor anyone one on that panel last night are "hacks" AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #41
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but we must agree to disagree. nt Emrys Aug 2024 #45
Except last night claudette Aug 2024 #47
And, a Bias Pops Out... Cha Aug 2024 #77
When did Hayes say he supports Bide SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #54
I was thinking of... 2naSalit Aug 2024 #28
LOL - yes agree "He could have used a different term." but not malicious. NOT GONNA HATE ON THE GUY. nt AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #30
You don't get to that office without a huge ego. appmanga Aug 2024 #39
Thank you. Well said. Nt AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #42
Chris Hayes pushed the Tara Reade bullshit kcr Aug 2024 #46
I see a lot of defensiveness in this thread around the idea of Joe having a big ego ms liberty Aug 2024 #48
You see what you want to see hlthe2b Aug 2024 #56
I find interesting SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #57
Exactly hlthe2b Aug 2024 #59
You seem angry. You've tried to fight with every DU'er on this thread that you disagree with ms liberty Aug 2024 #60
I AM angry. Biden does not deserve the disparagement he got at Haye's "hands" nor that which some are using hlthe2b Aug 2024 #65
Yea, again it's not a ToS violation. ms liberty Aug 2024 #69
It IS against DU rules--conveniently found at the bottom of this page under TOS. Maybe read them one day. hlthe2b Aug 2024 #74
Except your view of "unfavorable" is at odds with many others in this thread, including me. ms liberty Aug 2024 #81
GREAT!!!!! hlthe2b Aug 2024 #82
Chris Hayes dlilafae Aug 2024 #49
I think you're basically correct Docreed2003 Aug 2024 #55
He referenced Trump at the same damned time hlthe2b Aug 2024 #58
He referenced Trump in order to distinguish Biden's sense of service from Trump's total self-interest. onenote Aug 2024 #62
I am done with those on this thread conveniently using/yet denying Haye's disgusting comments/innuendo hlthe2b Aug 2024 #64
He's been active on social media explaining himself Docreed2003 Aug 2024 #67
In the spirit of Kamala's "joyful campaign" I thank you. Your quote: "...to pass that torch on to the next generation AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #73
Agree completely! Docreed2003 Aug 2024 #80
Bullfeathers .. Chris Hayes is an Asshole.. Especially When he Pushed the Tara Reade LIES and Cha Aug 2024 #68
Bull Feathers?!? Kinda harsh there eh? It appears that Chris Hayes took a lot of criticism back when AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2024 #83
Fucking Chris Hayes has had it out for Biden and Cha Aug 2024 #84
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