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Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
16. Actually, this is false.
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 06:00 PM
Aug 2024

A cursory look at the reports of the Hamas "agreement" shows that they neither agreed to the proposal nor viewed favorably on it as communicated by Biden.

Biden's proposal, as reported:

The proposal, unveiled by Biden in remarks delivered Friday at the White House, was composed of three phases. The first phase would entail a six-week ceasefire, along with an Israeli withdrawal from populated areas of Gaza, the exchange of surviving Hamas-held hostage for hundreds of Palestinians held prisoner, the return of Palestinian civilians to the war-torn territory and the entrance of up to 600 aid trucks.


Hamas' response, as reported:
"Hamas confirms its readiness to deal positively and in a constructive manner with any proposal that is based on the permanent ceasefire and the full withdrawal [of Israeli forces] from the Gaza Strip, the reconstruction [of Gaza], and the return of the displaced to their places," the group said, "along with the fulfillment of a genuine prisoner swap deal if the occupation clearly announces commitment to such deal."
https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-welcomes-joe-biden-ceasefire-deal-gaza-1907044

At least two fundamentals differ between Biden's proposal and what Hamas "positively views" (but not accepts):

Biden's proposal calls for a temporary cease fire and an Israeli withdrawal from populated areas of Gaza in the first phase, and Hamas views favorably "any proposal", not specifically the latest Biden proposal, which is based on permanent cease fire and full withdrawal [of Israeli forces] from the Gaza Strip, neither of the two having been stated in the Biden proposal.

Not only did Hamas not agree to Biden's proposal, it implicitly conditioned its participation on the demands not included in Biden's proposal.

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Arms. Embargo. Now. [View all] onandup Aug 2024 OP
.. ColinC Aug 2024 #1
Don't hold your breath. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #2
The arc of the moral universe is bending toward Palestinians, if you will onandup Aug 2024 #3
Only in your universe. former9thward Aug 2024 #12
Only in your fantasy. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #19
Young people and Democrats are generally more pro-Palestinian onandup Aug 2024 #31
Uh Huh. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #32
Spot on! edisdead Aug 2024 #42
Too late. Netanyahu and and the principal warhawks behind him need to go -- that might be KPN Aug 2024 #4
Will never happen edhopper Aug 2024 #5
"Will never happen" onandup Aug 2024 #6
You think edhopper Aug 2024 #7
I think not enabling their efforts to start a wider war onandup Aug 2024 #8
the assertion that Isreal is engaged in 'efforts to start a wider war' stopdiggin Aug 2024 #9
Yes it does. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #20
You know what is truly "distasteful"? Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #34
You know what's really distasteful? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #36
Israel is slaughtering exponentially more people than Hamas. Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #39
so here's my question edisdead Aug 2024 #43
Thank you and spot on!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #45
Joe senses it as well onandup Aug 2024 #49
Whose efforts? ismnotwasm Aug 2024 #17
"start a wider war" ForgedCrank Aug 2024 #40
Wow!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #47
No thanks. TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #10
Tel Aviv Saturday Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #11
Maybe you should tell Hamas to get the deal done. former9thward Aug 2024 #13
Hamas agreed to the Biden deal on May 31. Netanyahu changed the deal and put new conditions in it. Nanjeanne Aug 2024 #15
Actually, this is false. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #16
Well, you know, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #21
No kidding! Cha Aug 2024 #24
Thought So. Thanks for Clearing that UP Cha Aug 2024 #23
Hamas NEVER accepted any deal - ergo, there WAS no deal stopdiggin Aug 2024 #29
You should delete this post because it isn't true as another poster has clearly demonstrated. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #26
To some here, truth doesn't mean jack shit. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #35
Hamas will ForgedCrank Aug 2024 #41
Hamas is still PROMISING future attacks stopdiggin Aug 2024 #44
I saw your post soandso Aug 2024 #48
Agree malaise Aug 2024 #14
Not going to happen. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #18
Fuck no. DavidDvorkin Aug 2024 #22
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #25
The arms industry won't stand for that Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #27
Bibi need to step down immediately and get a new sane later then we can consider more funding kimbutgar Aug 2024 #28
... LexVegas Aug 2024 #30
Fuck Hamas. Fuck Hezbollah. Fuck their apologists. tritsofme Aug 2024 #33
Of which there are plenty. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #46
YES! Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea? EX500rider Aug 2024 #37
Btw, release of the hostages is NOT a "prisoner swap" Danmel Aug 2024 #38
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