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displacedvermoter

(4,326 posts)
18. Poll framing is what I have a problem with
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 10:37 AM
Sep 2024

a tied race or a one point Trump lead (all within MOE) are regularly presented as evidence of some major trend. Harris leads of the same or larger are, indeed, portrayed as the close race you are sure is the reality.

It was same, or worse, when President Biden was down by similar numbers, or tied. A Times poll last October was the kickoff of the Dump Joe movement, when similar close numbers were framed as evidence of doom.

Reverse Happy Talk is no better than too much enthusiasm, to me at least.

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I can do both Keepthesoulalive Sep 2024 #1
A fresh article on RawStory says Silver is being paid by Peter Thiel TheBlackAdder Sep 2024 #84
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Not sure, but since Thiel is a hardcore Trumper there might have been come creative spinning. TheBlackAdder Sep 2024 #95
lol obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #2
The Truth is that GOTV is What Matters Aepps22 Sep 2024 #3
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This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Sep 2024 #5
Turnout Turnout Turnout!! Mad_Machine76 Sep 2024 #6
This finger wagging isn't helpful kcr Sep 2024 #7
It's an important reminder iemanja Sep 2024 #103
it isn't a "tied" race... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #8
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Massive turnout, donations, and social media for Harris... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #19
There is no longer any such thing as a "high quality national poll." lees1975 Sep 2024 #31
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This poll was caught deliberately fucking with sample size previously. I think they should print it on Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #49
Of course they were, after they adjusted their data when it became clear that they were off, a couple of weeks out. lees1975 Sep 2024 #75
You mean the polls owned by trump supporters? onecaliberal Sep 2024 #76
It is tied. They are both have zero votes right now. whopis01 Sep 2024 #64
Good points... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #69
If 2020 wasn't a blowout, 2024 won't be either. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #83
She has been going further down in the polls and lost momentum. kerry-is-my-prez Sep 2024 #71
Debunking untruths and demonstrating displacedvermoter Sep 2024 #10
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It's not just the NYT now. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #14
Many here are falling for the same trap Republicans fell into in 2022. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #11
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Is that so...personally I find doom and gloom troubling. Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #17
Poll framing is what I have a problem with displacedvermoter Sep 2024 #18
Pretending that polls are ironclad predictors kcr Sep 2024 #37
I'm going with Prof. Allan Lichtman DoBW Sep 2024 #100
It is trash now...they have changed their methods... Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #23
Their polls match two other respected polls that show the race tied. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #25
Yep LW1977 Sep 2024 #30
Except the ones that were spot on, right? Self Esteem Sep 2024 #41
Yes. As predictors they are trash kcr Sep 2024 #38
I'm pretty sure they had cell phones in 2020. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #39
That lead was actually over-stated kcr Sep 2024 #42
Polls generally give you a good perspective of what the race looks like. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #45
There it is. Margin. kcr Sep 2024 #48
I've not ignored anything. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #50
Polls should be used to watch trends, nothing more. Bev54 Sep 2024 #72
Trends and mood. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #74
The Real Trap Is Focusing On Polling Instead of Actually Helping. Aepps22 Sep 2024 #24
I've maxed out my contributions to Harris. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #26
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I've reiterated that here a billion times. Deaf ears. Sympthsical Sep 2024 #43
YEP Cosmocat Sep 2024 #92
I agree, GOTV is the correct action blogslug Sep 2024 #15
GOTV is critical, that I hope we can all agree on!! nt TBF Sep 2024 #52
Welcome! Enjoy your stay...and the polls are up and down... Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #16
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Welcome to DU!! Meant sincerely. Sometimes this place veers too far into a bubble. nt LAS14 Sep 2024 #34
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You decide. In general we support Democrats here...so we are likeminded Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #46
Not to mention there is a TOS for the board (like most forums) - TBF Sep 2024 #51
That is a very good suggestion. Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #59
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Sure... Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #88
lol obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #57
"Enjoy your stay" is something often posted in response to a troll onenote Sep 2024 #21
I'm sure trolls get agreed with on DU by longtimers from time to time kcr Sep 2024 #27
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Did they actualy come here on DU and berate people for complaining about the polls? kcr Sep 2024 #44
Well said obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #58
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"tough love" obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #60
On DU RobinA Sep 2024 #80
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Thanks for letting me know. And this discussion is not appropriate. Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #54
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I guess mistakes are made... Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #89
Meh. The discussion seems appropriate enough. "The polls are all wrong" is part of what Maru Kitteh Sep 2024 #68
That is not what I was talking about when I used the word appropriate Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #90
Turns out MIRt thought so and delivered the well earned pizza. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #112
Nate Silver works for a predictions market awesomerwb1 Sep 2024 #22
He also works for Peter Thiel and spits out right wing polls these days. Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Sep 2024 #105
Good on ya! as my Australian friend would say. nt LAS14 Sep 2024 #29
Why is the OP "good on ya"? obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #61
I agree...and Nate Silver works for Peter Thiel. Rightwing polls on demand these days Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #66
Because I like the post. I'm energized by clear thinking. Don't like bubbles. nt LAS14 Sep 2024 #77
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Polls are commercial, money making entities. lees1975 Sep 2024 #33
brooklyn Mets fan? Prairie Gates Sep 2024 #47
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The real reality is polls are not elections. And these polls are as reliable as tossing dice. bullimiami Sep 2024 #55
Reverse finito: Explain what Harris did to lose her advantage? GreenWave Sep 2024 #56
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Until you can tell us all if they are using up to date voter rolls that include Bev54 Sep 2024 #73
The polls we're seeing today don't show her losing the advantage. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #70
I love when brand new posters take it upon themselves to tell us what's wrong with us. It's so refreshing. Scrivener7 Sep 2024 #78
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Yes, I know. As I said, you've arrived to tell us all what's wrong with us. Scrivener7 Sep 2024 #82
Well said obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #85
Absolutely. SWBTATTReg Sep 2024 #101
I know right... Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #91
It's not either or senseandsensibility Sep 2024 #86
You are right Tweedy Sep 2024 #87
Who is asserting that criticizing polls will change an election? Torchlight Sep 2024 #96
Deep. jimfields33 Sep 2024 #129
Ridiculous ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #97
You go, Prof obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #99
I knew you were a math guy! Demsrule86 Sep 2024 #102
You disagree with GOTV? iemanja Sep 2024 #108
My Post Was In English ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #122
He made two points iemanja Sep 2024 #128
I Didn't Say "Points" ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #130
Oh. iemanja Sep 2024 #131
No Objection ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #133
Excellent - And it looks like you're channeling The Magistrate! GoneOffShore Sep 2024 #123
He And I Got On Famously ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #125
The last 10 polls listed on 538 show Harris ahead in 8 of them... Wiz Imp Sep 2024 #98
The OP has veen Tombstoned obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #104
Their point is nonetheless important iemanja Sep 2024 #106
It really isn't, though obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #109
It's mathematically incorrect to GOTV? iemanja Sep 2024 #111
That isn't their point obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #120
Buh bye. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #107
Reality check--the media is skewing the polls, it is not tied and you are gullible for buying any of this. lees1975 Sep 2024 #110
He no longer works for Theil. iemanja Sep 2024 #113
Tell me you're not that gullible. lees1975 Sep 2024 #114
He just posted it on X iemanja Sep 2024 #116
Lol so yes, he works for him obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #124
I'm carrying the water for the Harris campaign iemanja Sep 2024 #127
Yes, he does work for Thiel obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #121
Enthusiasm is part of it. A HUGE part of it. Iggo Sep 2024 #115
Yes, and hopefully that motivates people iemanja Sep 2024 #117
Well, you don't get out the vote by pouring cold water on enthusiasm. That much I know. Iggo Sep 2024 #118
Do you think that's what the Harris campaign is doing? iemanja Sep 2024 #119
Enjoy your stay is weak jujubeets Sep 2024 #126
The OP was PPRed, so you are talking to a ghost obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #132
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