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In reply to the discussion: Exploding pagers injure hundreds in attack targeting Hezbollah members, Lebanese security source says [View all]Mosby
(19,491 posts)72. Hezbollah has been part of the lebanese government since 1992.
Hezbollah has been a fixture of the Lebanese government since 1992, when eight of its members were elected to Parliament, and the party has held cabinet positions since 2005. The party marked its integration into mainstream politics in 2009 with an updated manifesto that was less Islamist than its predecessor and called for true democracy. The most recent national elections, in 2022, saw Hezbollah maintain its 13 seats in Lebanons 128-member Parliament, though the party and its allies lost their majority.
Hezbollah essentially operates as a government in the areas under its control, and neither the military nor federal authorities can counter this, Arab Barometer analysts MaryClare Roche and Michael Robbins write for Foreign Affairs. It manages a vast network of social services that include infrastructure, health-care facilities, schools, and youth programs, all of which have been instrumental in garnering support for Hezbollah from Shiite and non-Shiite Lebanese alike. Even so, Arab Barometer polling in 2024 found that despite Hezbollahs significant influence in Lebanon, relatively few Lebanese support it.
At the same time, Hezbollah maintains its military arm. Under the 1989 Taif Agreement, which was brokered by Saudi Arabia and Syria and ended Lebanons civil war, Hezbollah was the only militia allowed to keep its arms. The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimated in 2020 that the militia had up to twenty thousand active fighters and some twenty thousand reserves, with an arsenal of small arms, tanks, drones, and various long-range rockets. Analyst and Brigadier General (Ret.) Assaf Orion, of Israels Institute for National Security Studies, says Hezbollah possesses a larger arsenal of artillery than most nations enjoy, and a 2018 report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies called it the worlds most heavily armed non-state actor. In June 2024, experts speculated that Hezbollah has 150,000200,000 rockets and missiles of various ranges.
Hezbollah essentially operates as a government in the areas under its control, and neither the military nor federal authorities can counter this, Arab Barometer analysts MaryClare Roche and Michael Robbins write for Foreign Affairs. It manages a vast network of social services that include infrastructure, health-care facilities, schools, and youth programs, all of which have been instrumental in garnering support for Hezbollah from Shiite and non-Shiite Lebanese alike. Even so, Arab Barometer polling in 2024 found that despite Hezbollahs significant influence in Lebanon, relatively few Lebanese support it.
At the same time, Hezbollah maintains its military arm. Under the 1989 Taif Agreement, which was brokered by Saudi Arabia and Syria and ended Lebanons civil war, Hezbollah was the only militia allowed to keep its arms. The International Institute for Strategic Studies estimated in 2020 that the militia had up to twenty thousand active fighters and some twenty thousand reserves, with an arsenal of small arms, tanks, drones, and various long-range rockets. Analyst and Brigadier General (Ret.) Assaf Orion, of Israels Institute for National Security Studies, says Hezbollah possesses a larger arsenal of artillery than most nations enjoy, and a 2018 report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies called it the worlds most heavily armed non-state actor. In June 2024, experts speculated that Hezbollah has 150,000200,000 rockets and missiles of various ranges.
Hezbollah (and Lebanon) are in violation of UNSCR 1559 and 1701, which call for the group to be disarmed.
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Exploding pagers injure hundreds in attack targeting Hezbollah members, Lebanese security source says [View all]
LiberalArkie
Sep 2024
OP
Or might as well let them blow up Israelis, because that's really their raison d'etre
elias7
Sep 2024
#142
Note to self: Don't put my pager or cell phone in my front pants pocket. 🔥 🌰🌰 🔥
TheBlackAdder
Sep 2024
#129
And remarkably resembling the just leaked Mossad tapes of the operation. Rockets and all:
Beastly Boy
Sep 2024
#184
Nope. It's not targeting civilians. However, Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon.
haele
Sep 2024
#12
Certain folks sure do seem to get upset when Israel gets in the way of their Hezbollah/Hamas buddies....
tritsofme
Sep 2024
#23
That's because most people who don't know average people from that area think black and white.
haele
Sep 2024
#61
The question is: does the government of the sovereign state of lebanon have Hezbollah's permission
Beastly Boy
Sep 2024
#185
What happens when someone initiates a war? Israel did not initiate this war. When Germany...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#165
Alas, that is exactly what the slogan "From the river to the sea" means. It means to do what was done in 1492...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#207
No, it does not, unless a person is one of those idiot US protestors who doesn't know what company they keep
Hekate
Sep 2024
#212
You are indeed misunderstanding. No, not every action taken by Israel is automatically justified in my mind.
thucythucy
Sep 2024
#244
And I'm guessing you live in a country with oceans on 2 sides, Canada to the North and Mexico to the South
elias7
Sep 2024
#145
What kind of incompetent terrorist would leave his Nasrallah issued pager in a child's room?
Beastly Boy
Sep 2024
#196
I thought the lithium but I remembered the pager I used to carry ran about 3 months on a AAA battery
LiberalArkie
Sep 2024
#6
The battery as the explosive is extremely unlikely when comparing against the videos coming out
Amishman
Sep 2024
#10
Even with a casing - using the battery like a pipe bomb - you'd still have pyrotechnics
Amishman
Sep 2024
#34
Yes... a cell phone battery can explode in the same manner. It's not likely but they can...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#21
That's really a big if... while a clandestine attack like that is movie quality...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#30
I think you'll find most people have no problem with giving exploding pagers to terrorists
EX500rider
Sep 2024
#92
So you don't think it's okay to supply exploding pagers to terrorists which is what they did?
EX500rider
Sep 2024
#144
Israel (and seemingly no one else either) never ratified the Safe Pagers for Terrorists
TheKentuckian
Sep 2024
#169
It may also be the cell phone companies ensuring that pagers never rise again... you just never know...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#35
No... it's just I saw no reason to immediately assume Israel was behind the attack...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#97
Right, but don't forget that Israel has no beef with Lebanon. This is all on them.
elias7
Sep 2024
#146
I am confused. Are you saying ISRAELIS "distributed boxes of pagers" ? Did you miss the part...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#171
And do you think the terrorists will tell you how many terrorists die compared to civilians?
EX500rider
Sep 2024
#85
Precisely targeting the communications network of an opposing militia is not a terror attack.
mathematic
Sep 2024
#147
Seriously... it could just a major run of poorly engineered lithium batteries...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#42
Hard to hide that you belong to the terrorist group if you have an exploding pager.
Bev54
Sep 2024
#64
Ok... so this is interesting. Apparently the pagers were pinged just before exploding... that changes things...
mikelewis
Sep 2024
#93
Please provide the link to the rule of war that says enemy communications are an illegitimate target.
Coventina
Sep 2024
#108
My opinion would be that those deaths would be on the terrorist org., Hizbollah,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#156
I think you are ignorant past belief if you don't recognize that DU's veterans have knowledge & experience...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#178
So just out of curiosity, what did your decade of Air Force experience involve that meant you...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#205
This operation was as closely targeted as it is possible to be. And as has been pointed out...
Hekate
Sep 2024
#195
You do realize Hezbollah has been actively attacking Israel since October 8, don't you?
elias7
Sep 2024
#240
Three or four people in this thread don't know it & don't believe it regardless
Hekate
Sep 2024
#241
Well then I guess most of us on this thread are going to hell because most of us support
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2024
#117
Oh goody, block us all. I will not block you, however, as I am sure your progress here will be full of incident.
Hekate
Sep 2024
#215
That's right... Hezbollah recently killed some children with one of the 100s of rocket attacks on Israel.
notroot
Sep 2024
#217
Maybe those poor "doctors" and "nurses" shouldn't be carrying TERRORIST pagers?
notroot
Sep 2024
#183
And kittens. Why would a pager-carrying terrorist be in a hospital unless it had already gone off?
Hekate
Sep 2024
#214
As has been proven, just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you're not a terrorist too.
Coventina
Sep 2024
#228
Pagers should be turned off in flight. These pagers were purchased by the terrorists themselves.
Coventina
Sep 2024
#227