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Self Esteem

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83. Anyone who paid attention to polling knew that was not going to happen.
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 06:28 PM
Sep 2024

Most polls did not show a 'red rave'. That was a narrative kicked up by the media in outright opposition to the polls. Every idea that Republicans would win in a massive landslide was an act of poll denialism because the polls indicated the exact opposite.

Polls had Democrats winning Arizona, Georgia and essentially tied in Pennsylvania.

The national 'generic ballot' poll had Republicans +2.5 on average - they won by +2.8. To put that into perspective, Democrats won the national popular vote in the 2018 congressional midterm elections by eight points (when they took back the House). In 2010, when Republicans actually did see a red wave and took back the House, they won the popular vote by nearly seven points.

In fact, much of what we're seeing here is exactly what Republicans did in 2022. They ignored the polls. They couldn't fathom that Pennsylvania was tight or that Republicans weren't going to wipe out Democrats in the House races.

Despite polls indicating that Democrats were favored, or tied, including the pesky NYT/Siena who everyone thinks is in the bag for Trump.

But the right-wing media didn't want to believe it.

The vibes they were seeing didn't match the polls.

So, they ignored the polls and spoke of winning in Washington and New Hampshire.

Despite no polls having the Republican up.

It was a red wave narrative because they denied the polls.

Just like many here saying it'll be a blue wave despite polls indicating that isn't going to be the case.

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Fixed it for ya... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #1
that change is appropriate samsingh Sep 2024 #7
Doubt They Can. GB_RN Sep 2024 #55
What happened to just calling balls & strikes and telling us the facts BEFORE they are manipulated into a comfortable... usaf-vet Sep 2024 #64
Fixed it again for ya: The NYET Times poll is a liar out to sane wash Pantload 45. GreenWave Sep 2024 #27
Thank you for the correction. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #29
an out and out liar LuvLoogie Sep 2024 #81
Yup, well done. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #84
Quinnipiac Poll also has Trump +1, just came out Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #2
Personally I don't care how we do it as long as we do it. JohnSJ Sep 2024 #3
Then let me update my thread, gab13by13 Sep 2024 #4
I personally think she's going to outperform the polls Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #5
Hell no, I don't believe that tfg is gaining. SheltieLover Sep 2024 #6
That Quinnipiac poll is highly questionable. Wiz Imp Sep 2024 #21
When there are multiple polls available for a state VMA131Marine Sep 2024 #46
i just did your map Polybius Sep 2024 #50
It is going to be a squeeker DeepWinter Sep 2024 #68
Agree - it will be close TBF Sep 2024 #69
Then you have NYTimes, Jeremy Peters on Morning Joe saying it is Trump supporters Bev54 Sep 2024 #8
Then you have the moving to the right gab13by13 Sep 2024 #15
Can someone explain why anyone believes anything the N.Y. Times reports Keepthesoulalive Sep 2024 #9
They are moving farther right gab13by13 Sep 2024 #17
Oh, the hyperbole. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #67
Hyperbole Keepthesoulalive Sep 2024 #71
You don't read the NYT, then. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #72
I agree but I also think their last poll was an outlier too. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #10
Arizona is being tracked by about 60 polls. lees1975 Sep 2024 #12
Here you go... Self Esteem Sep 2024 #14
So you believe that TSF gained 10 points in Arizona since the debate? gab13by13 Sep 2024 #18
Huh? Self Esteem Sep 2024 #22
The only polls I have faith in are exit polls. gab13by13 Sep 2024 #30
I hope so but I'm not sold on Arizona. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #33
While the Democratic Senate candidate is up by 8? Nah, don't believe she's trailing. lees1975 Sep 2024 #75
Don't believe it then. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #79
The NYT/Siena is in that list, so if it's an outlier lees1975 Sep 2024 #74
Show me these polls, please. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #80
Money is the driver. lees1975 Sep 2024 #11
Harris is not going to win in a landslide. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #20
good post Cosmocat Sep 2024 #25
I've lurked on DU for previous elections and the same was said in 2016 and 2020... Self Esteem Sep 2024 #31
Try Again ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #76
Biden won by 46,000 votes. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #78
Nah, every indicator other than polls (and we all know those are about media ad sales)... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #34
Every indicator from the Harris campaign is that the election is going to be very close. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #40
well said. it's going to be a tight race. The people that know polling best all predict it. stopdiggin Sep 2024 #38
I think the polls sampling in general is flawed, and the primary reason is because I believe a significant number of JohnSJ Sep 2024 #13
I am like you and don't answer calls from numbers I don't recognize....and we get lots. CTyankee Sep 2024 #44
+++ JohnSJ Sep 2024 #53
538 had Kamala peaking nationally last week at 68% chance of winning. Now it's 55%. There has been a shift to Trump. Doodley Sep 2024 #16
Why? gab13by13 Sep 2024 #19
Because there are too many morons in America. They hear, "Make America Great Again," and they think Doodley Sep 2024 #24
But those morons have already been baked into voting for TSF gab13by13 Sep 2024 #32
The peak likely was the result of the debate. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #26
Who is TSF picking up? gab13by13 Sep 2024 #35
He doesn't need to pick up anyone. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #37
No way in hell is Harris losing support gab13by13 Sep 2024 #48
This is just cope tbh Self Esteem Sep 2024 #58
He's Picking Up RobinA Sep 2024 #61
Sadly Cosmocat Sep 2024 #39
You keep saying that but you are incorrect obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #41
Are you saying that I am lying? Doodley Sep 2024 #70
If they used a robust estimator of the average it would be better karynnj Sep 2024 #23
Outliers gonna lie, however... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2024 #28
Glad to see your still posting gab13by13 republianmushroom Sep 2024 #36
I got a pardon I guess. gab13by13 Sep 2024 #49
be happy to take your money on those Florida Georgia bets ... stopdiggin Sep 2024 #42
i'll take harris et tu Sep 2024 #43
Wishcasting vs. Forecasting Sympthsical Sep 2024 #45
Not enough emphasis is being placed on the ground game, gab13by13 Sep 2024 #51
Siena polls RJ_MacReady Sep 2024 #47
Tue, Nov 8, 2016 Moostache Sep 2024 #52
Young and newly registered voters are not being polled. ananda Sep 2024 #54
Yep. And Dems made pollsters a bunch of fools of in recent elections. Justice matters. Sep 2024 #56
That's a good point! ananda Sep 2024 #65
OK, I just saw this scroll across my home page gab13by13 Sep 2024 #57
Yep. Anyone remember their failing 2022 Red Wave?? Justice matters. Sep 2024 #66
Anyone who paid attention to polling knew that was not going to happen. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #83
Ok, but I think Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan will change those polls Justice matters. Sep 2024 #85
Post removed Post removed Sep 2024 #59
Back again I see. Bye GP6971 Sep 2024 #60
Don't let the door smack you on the butt on your way out. Ocelot II Sep 2024 #62
A huge, and I mean HUGE, blue wave is coming. There, I said it. Joinfortmill Sep 2024 #63
Yup. Ocelot II Sep 2024 #73
The Focus On Polls Isn't Awesome Aepps22 Sep 2024 #77
The polls are using radically different turnout models WSHazel Sep 2024 #82
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