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Honeycombe8

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85. No need to be insulting. Maybe you're not up on this issue.

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:50 AM

Dec 2012

Part of the reason for the difference in cost is that other countries have single payer. When insurance gets involved, care providers raise their rates, because insurance pays a contracted, lower amount. That way, care providers increase the net they get for their services.

Hence, single payer is part of the equation, when speaking about cost. Always.

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Medicare and Social Security are my red line with the Democratic Party [View all] RomneyLies Dec 2012 OP

I agree..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #1

Me too newfie11 Dec 2012 #2

If they cross that line, then we know they truly do not represent us and have RKP5637 Dec 2012 #27

agreed! fascisthunter Dec 2012 #3

I have been debating whether to post this myself.... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #4

Can you imagine the attack ads if a Dem cuts SS & Medicare? JaneyVee Dec 2012 #5

It would also mean that ... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #9

The GOP would be able to run on "preserving" Medicare & SS and people would believe. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #10

But, personally, I could never vote Republican... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #12

I agree. I would NEVER vote Republican either. Ever ever. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #55

"We the people" have been losing a voice for a long time now. This, would confirm what RKP5637 Dec 2012 #29

It is not that we have been losing a voice, rather we have not being vocal enough... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #31

Excellent point!!! Too many today are bred to be lambs and lemmings and they play their RKP5637 Dec 2012 #43

"Not only must Democrats *Never* weaken or otherwise diminish SS and Medicare, Democrats must ... Scuba Dec 2012 #13

That's fair. Barack_America Dec 2012 #6

If Obama signs SS or Medicare cuts, I'll never vote for....oh wait.... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #7

Who told you Medicare wouldn't be cut? Not Obama. In fact, he already took $ from Medicare.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #24

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #8

In what way? You mean no changes at all to Medicare? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #11

We the People pay for SS and Medicare thru payroll taxes... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #15

As I just quoted an expert, Medicare has a big budget problem. I've never heard Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #21

Medicare's problem ProSense Dec 2012 #16

Thank you for saying this!!! SELDOM, do we hear the real cause, the spiraling cost of RKP5637 Dec 2012 #33

Good point, ProSense. What about that provision that doesn't let the govt negotiate drug prices? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #46

Too bad that Obamacare didn't contain adequate cost containment. leveymg Dec 2012 #77

The United States has the best health care system in the world. airplaneman Dec 2012 #22

You'd have to add... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #49

Exactly!!!!! nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #72

+1000 nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #58

Only because we pay twice what civilized countries pay per capital for health care for ALL eridani Dec 2012 #44

Well, our taxes would be higher, wouldn't they? If we had single payer. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #71

The other poster spoke of the absurdly high costs in the US compared to other nations Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #80

No need to be insulting. Maybe you're not up on this issue. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #85

I've been paying for both for more than 36 years RomneyLies Dec 2012 #50

You've been getting a paycheck since age 10 or 11? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #74

Math was wrong, paying for 35 years with another 17 to go. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #76

Oh. I got paid in cash when I was that young. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #78

Worked for a chain department store. Jobs before that were detassling corn and a paper route n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #79

Isn't medicare part of the automatic cuts... iandhr Dec 2012 #14

No...SS and Medicare earned benefits are not part of the sequestration... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #19

Right there with ya! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #17

Why aren't they your red line with the Rethug party? Which party would like to ELIMINATE both pnwmom Dec 2012 #18

I just sent an email objecting to this rumored deal Laurian Dec 2012 #20

If they take SS to 75, that would solve a lot, and how about Medicare to 85. That's how this RKP5637 Dec 2012 #38

Out in the US, SS and Medicare have strong support. woo me with science Dec 2012 #52

The money and corporate infestation into the government has to be removed for the US to RKP5637 Dec 2012 #56

I sent an email a few hours ago... nenagh Dec 2012 #45

Absolutely I'm done with them! nt Raine Dec 2012 #23

If Medicare needs money, get rid of the age eligibility. rocktivity Dec 2012 #25

It wouldn't be the first time sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #26

Well, when I see a Red line AGAINST the Dem Party, it's over. n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #28

Here, Here or is it Hear, Hear? chuckstevens Dec 2012 #30

It doesn't matter to anyone on DU..except myself but if the Dems mess... BlueJazz Dec 2012 #32

You're lucky to have that option. My hunch is the US is eventually going to be some RKP5637 Dec 2012 #41

Ya know how many times I've heard & said the same thing? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #34

made that vow to myself awhile back rurallib Dec 2012 #35

I think it is with all of us. Cleita Dec 2012 #36

More than political affiliation to me. Downwinder Dec 2012 #37

I feel the same way. Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #39

while I certainly agree in principle... mike_c Dec 2012 #40

So...that means you will start voting for Republicans? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #42

You are wrong on this and anyone else is wrong on this if... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #48

I will vote for neither Dems nor Republicans if the Medicare age is raised. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #53

Don't quit--primary the SOBs! b/t eridani Dec 2012 #47

Of course, that can't be done with Obama. Or Durbin. Or ... AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #57

Increase on taxable wages for SS .. not just $113,700 for the rich .. YOHABLO Dec 2012 #51

Me too, but not if they do something like raise the premiums for those who make more than a certain still_one Dec 2012 #54

This should be the definition of a Democrat. Flatulo Dec 2012 #59

Definitely a red line for me, and from what I hear from most of the Dems I know sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #60

Medicare for all JEB Dec 2012 #61

You speak for many, many people. woo me with science Dec 2012 #62

K&R'd! snot Dec 2012 #63

I will be so fucking gone from this party that I will forget how to pronounce it !!! RagAss Dec 2012 #64

If Social Security and Medicare are so important to the Democratic Party, why should we be the only AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #65

The burden of democracy has always begins with us, the people... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #66

I'm not sure that Andrew Jackson ever said that. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #67

Where did I say he did? TheProgressive Dec 2012 #68

You obviously didn't. You also obviously said something contrary to his demonstrated leadership: AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #70

my single issue is education liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #69

I lost my last red line with Clinton union_maid Dec 2012 #73

Leaked deal memo for last year�s Grand Bargain: �Obama willing to go quite far� jsr Dec 2012 #75

YES edhopper Dec 2012 #81

They already crossed it for me. I'm an Independant like Bernie. Dawgs Dec 2012 #82

Medicare will never be cut -- but the rate of growth might be reduced FarCenter Dec 2012 #83

And if you are done with them, then what? Who would you support? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #84

I reached mine in 2004 Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #86