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Showing Original Post only (View all)Slamming Harris, Joe Manchin flunks tests on history and democracy [View all]
Sen. Joe Manchin insists that the Senate's filibuster rule "is the Holy Grail of democracy. History and reality prove otherwise.
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More than two years ago, after Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices overturned Roe v. Wade, Vice President Kamala Harris endorsed restoring the rights that the jurists took away. If the filibuster gets in the way, she declared in June 2022, the Senate needs to make an exception to get this done......
Sen. Joe Manchin, who claimed to be weighing a possible endorsement of his former partys presidential ticket, expressed fresh outrage about the position Harris announced more than two years ago. The New York Times reported:
As a practical matter, Manchin walking back the possibility of a Harris endorsement is unlikely to have any meaningful impact on the race: The Democratic ticket wasnt planning to compete in the independent senators home state of West Virginia, and its not as if the senator, whos retiring this year, has vast influence over a huge electoral contingent......
And what is demonstrably true is that the filibuster did not exist when the Senate was created in 1789. When senators considered proposals, they held a debate and then voted. If a majority of members supported the measure it passed. The institution functioned this way for generations.
Adam Jentleson, a former top aide to the late Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, has flagged several quotes from the nations Founding Fathers, noting that the Constitutions framers considered the idea of legislative supermajorities, before ultimately rejecting them. This quote from James Madison widely recognized as the father of the Constitution is of particular interest:
Alexander Hamilton agreed.
......As for the idea that the filibuster is necessary to protect democracy, Im at a loss as to understand how the West Virginian arrived at such a conclusion. As things stand, with the routinization of filibuster abuses, Americans can put the House, Senate and White House in the hands of one party, only to find that party unable to approve popular legislation backed by most voters because of a procedural roadblock that didnt use to exist.
Manchin is apparently convinced that this procedural roadblock helps preserve democracy. He has this backward.
For his part, Donald Trump celebrated the independent senators statement. Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin for not endorsing Radical Kamala Harris because of her DEATH WISH for the Filibuster and the Rule of Law, the former president wrote online.
What Trump neglected to mention is that hes repeatedly called for the elimination of the Senates filibuster rule, making his missive about Manchin that much more ridiculous.
Sen. Joe Manchin, who claimed to be weighing a possible endorsement of his former partys presidential ticket, expressed fresh outrage about the position Harris announced more than two years ago. The New York Times reported:
Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, an independent who considered making a presidential run this year, said on Tuesday that he would not endorse Vice President Kamala Harris after she reiterated her support for eliminating the Senate filibuster to pass abortion rights legislation. Shame on her, Mr. Manchin, who is not running for re-election, told CNN. She knows the filibuster is the Holy Grail of democracy.
As a practical matter, Manchin walking back the possibility of a Harris endorsement is unlikely to have any meaningful impact on the race: The Democratic ticket wasnt planning to compete in the independent senators home state of West Virginia, and its not as if the senator, whos retiring this year, has vast influence over a huge electoral contingent......
And what is demonstrably true is that the filibuster did not exist when the Senate was created in 1789. When senators considered proposals, they held a debate and then voted. If a majority of members supported the measure it passed. The institution functioned this way for generations.
Adam Jentleson, a former top aide to the late Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, has flagged several quotes from the nations Founding Fathers, noting that the Constitutions framers considered the idea of legislative supermajorities, before ultimately rejecting them. This quote from James Madison widely recognized as the father of the Constitution is of particular interest:
In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed. It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority.
Alexander Hamilton agreed.
Hamilton rebutted the idea that supermajority thresholds promote compromise, writing: what at first sight may seem a remedy, is, in reality, a poison. It would be wrong to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser, because if a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, the result would be tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good, Hamilton wrote.
......As for the idea that the filibuster is necessary to protect democracy, Im at a loss as to understand how the West Virginian arrived at such a conclusion. As things stand, with the routinization of filibuster abuses, Americans can put the House, Senate and White House in the hands of one party, only to find that party unable to approve popular legislation backed by most voters because of a procedural roadblock that didnt use to exist.
Manchin is apparently convinced that this procedural roadblock helps preserve democracy. He has this backward.
For his part, Donald Trump celebrated the independent senators statement. Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin for not endorsing Radical Kamala Harris because of her DEATH WISH for the Filibuster and the Rule of Law, the former president wrote online.
What Trump neglected to mention is that hes repeatedly called for the elimination of the Senates filibuster rule, making his missive about Manchin that much more ridiculous.
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Slamming Harris, Joe Manchin flunks tests on history and democracy [View all]
LetMyPeopleVote
Sep 2024
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Senator Reid got rid of the filibuster on judges and the world didn't fall apart.
jimfields33
Sep 2024
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Joe Manchin would rather work with Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Mitch McConnell than Vice President Harris.
LetMyPeopleVote
Sep 2024
#2