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In reply to the discussion: Florida might be fucked. These storms will get worse.. and then WORSE. And more frequent. [View all]dalton99a
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Once you accept that climate change is fast making large parts of the United States nearly uninhabitable, the future looks like this: With time, the bottom half of the country grows inhospitable, dangerous and hot. Something like a tenth of the people who live in the South and the Southwest from South Carolina to Alabama to Texas to Southern California decide to move north in search of a better economy and a more temperate environment. Those who stay behind are disproportionately poor and elderly.
In these places, heat alone will cause as many as 80 additional deaths per 100,000 people the nations opioid crisis, by comparison, produces 15 additional deaths per 100,000. The most affected people, meanwhile, will pay 20% more for energy, and their crops will yield half as much food or in some cases virtually none at all. That collective burden will drag down regional incomes by roughly 10%, amounting to one of the largest transfers of wealth in American history, as people who live farther north will benefit from that change and see their fortunes rise.
The millions of people moving north will mostly head to the cities of the Northeast and Northwest, which will see their populations grow by roughly 10%, according to one model. Once-chilly places like Minnesota and Michigan and Vermont will become more temperate, verdant and inviting. Vast regions will prosper; just as Hsiangs research forecast that Southern counties could see a tenth of their economy dry up, he projects that others as far as North Dakota and Minnesota will enjoy a corresponding expansion. Cities like Detroit; Rochester, New York; Buffalo and Milwaukee will see a renaissance, with their excess capacity in infrastructure, water supplies and highways once again put to good use. One day, its possible that a high-speed rail line could race across the Dakotas, through Idahos up-and-coming wine country and the countrys new breadbasket along the Canadian border, to the megalopolis of Seattle, which by then has nearly merged with Vancouver to its north.
Sitting in my own backyard one afternoon this summer, my wife and I talked through the implications of this looming American future. The facts were clear and increasingly foreboding. Yet there were so many intangibles a love of nature, the busy pace of life, the high cost of moving that conspired to keep us from leaving. Nobody wants to migrate away from home, even when an inexorable danger is inching ever closer. They do it when there is no longer any other choice.
In these places, heat alone will cause as many as 80 additional deaths per 100,000 people the nations opioid crisis, by comparison, produces 15 additional deaths per 100,000. The most affected people, meanwhile, will pay 20% more for energy, and their crops will yield half as much food or in some cases virtually none at all. That collective burden will drag down regional incomes by roughly 10%, amounting to one of the largest transfers of wealth in American history, as people who live farther north will benefit from that change and see their fortunes rise.
The millions of people moving north will mostly head to the cities of the Northeast and Northwest, which will see their populations grow by roughly 10%, according to one model. Once-chilly places like Minnesota and Michigan and Vermont will become more temperate, verdant and inviting. Vast regions will prosper; just as Hsiangs research forecast that Southern counties could see a tenth of their economy dry up, he projects that others as far as North Dakota and Minnesota will enjoy a corresponding expansion. Cities like Detroit; Rochester, New York; Buffalo and Milwaukee will see a renaissance, with their excess capacity in infrastructure, water supplies and highways once again put to good use. One day, its possible that a high-speed rail line could race across the Dakotas, through Idahos up-and-coming wine country and the countrys new breadbasket along the Canadian border, to the megalopolis of Seattle, which by then has nearly merged with Vancouver to its north.
Sitting in my own backyard one afternoon this summer, my wife and I talked through the implications of this looming American future. The facts were clear and increasingly foreboding. Yet there were so many intangibles a love of nature, the busy pace of life, the high cost of moving that conspired to keep us from leaving. Nobody wants to migrate away from home, even when an inexorable danger is inching ever closer. They do it when there is no longer any other choice.
https://www.propublica.org/article/climate-change-will-force-a-new-american-migration
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Florida might be fucked. These storms will get worse.. and then WORSE. And more frequent. [View all]
Imallin4Joe
Sep 2024
OP
Does God hate the approximately 45% of Florida voters that vote D? Again, if you were
kelly1mm
Sep 2024
#65
Last week, if someone said to me, how can I escape the weather disasters in Florida?, I'd have told them
Intractable
Sep 2024
#6
Along with longer and hotter heat waves and bigger and hotter burning wildfires.
GoreWon2000
Sep 2024
#51
No! Just NO! This shows absolutely NOTHING about any projected PATH!! It shows the area which there is a
retread
Sep 2024
#82
Dude, calm down. Forecasting probabilities of path is at the level of outlook, watch and warning.
ancianita
Sep 2024
#87
I see the arrow. "I'm not seeing the danger ahead that folks in Central America & Mexico are seeing" This map
retread
Sep 2024
#119
It reaffirmed my decision to stay in my home state of Michigan for retirement.
roamer65
Sep 2024
#21
What's your solution to the northward migration from Central America, Mexico and the Southern United States?
roamer65
Sep 2024
#19
Alien immigration is a federal issue. Internal immigration is an non-issue under our
marybourg
Sep 2024
#22
Freedom of movement within the US for US citizens is not an 'opinion'. It is settled law. nt
kelly1mm
Sep 2024
#67
Your proposal (at least the US part) is totally unconstitutional. Unless you are proposing sucession? nt
kelly1mm
Sep 2024
#61
Correct and corrected - too many C's! I agree with your overall premise of a devolution of federal
kelly1mm
Sep 2024
#64
That's ridiculous. We don't even do that for people coming from other countries.
jimfields33
Sep 2024
#77
Floridians might be the new refugees and Florida now longer eligible to be one of the 50 states
kimbutgar
Sep 2024
#27
I can guarantee insurance companies are now discussing completely ending policy writings in FL.
roamer65
Sep 2024
#29
Affordability. Can someone living in North Carolina move to California or Washington state?
jimfields33
Sep 2024
#78
I am in no way saying climate change is not affecting our weather, but just blurting shit out like this does no good
Cheezoholic
Sep 2024
#35
The part of the Bay Area where I live is most vulnerable to sea level rise. The other disasters would have
diane in sf
Sep 2024
#40
You're probably right about the low-lying, coastal cities. Aren't street already flooding at high tide in some of them?
brush
Sep 2024
#68
Odd that Florida is only state mentioned. It's really a mystery since out of states affected during this hurricane,
jimfields33
Sep 2024
#76
The insurance companies are leaving first. That should be a knock-out blow to the economy.
lindysalsagal
Sep 2024
#93
I'm in the Cap District of NYS. We don't get many extreme weather events at all. I will inherit my mom's condo in
Raftergirl
Sep 2024
#106
As far as NYC is concerned...we'll probably get more storms. More humidity in general- I hope not. As far as sea levels.
electric_blue68
Sep 2024
#117