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moniss

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56. I would point out though that
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 12:44 AM
Sep 2024

the agricultural abundance of those states is not guaranteed under climate change scenarios. It also has to be remembered that the concentration of crop pests may greatly increase as well. A successful crop year is more vulnerable than people think. If you have change that brings increased snow level melt, soaking early rains and flooding during planting time then planting can be precluded until well into the growing season. Crops have a certain number of days for maturity to harvest. If the time frame available is shortened too much then you may well have a decreased yield. It is not unusual in corn country for example during uneven planting times due to wet weather to see one field doing well and a field next to it be somewhat stunted and doing poorly with wetter areas of the field showing the worst effects. You can imagine if this current scenario gets magnified.

Then there are the effects of uneven rainfall and overly dry/hot conditions after planting. Storm events can damage crops over a wide area reducing yields even further. Heavy rains during harvest time can preclude being able to move equipment through the fields and may delay harvest as well. Waiting until ground is frozen to harvest corn is not unheard of but doing so means that time for the stalks/husks to decay into the soil and provide replenishment is reduced also. Soil management is critical especially in a changing climate scenario and increased or continued reliance on chemicals is an area of great concern already let alone in a much more challenging soil management/soil chemistry environment.

This all leads back to something from a long ago course I took on environmental issues. There is the notion of technological developments being able to "always save us". It leads people to thoughts like "somebody will think of something". There is no actual basis to conclude such a thing. Has it happened that way many times? Yes. Has it failed at times? Yes. Therefore, as many of us in the early environmental movement said, we need to make changes early on while we have the time for them to have an impact. Mankind has mostly failed to do that.

Logic tells us that competition for resources and livable areas will increase within nations and between nations. Logic also tells us that given this competition there will be increased tensions. Logic further informs that given our human history when tensions have increased dramatically over resources the parties resort to conflict and violence whether between nations or within them. It is not a bright future no matter where in the world or within a nation one tries to find refuge.

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I wish I could afford to move. Lunabell Sep 2024 #1
I hear ya ornotna Sep 2024 #14
I retired to SW Florida because markodochartaigh Sep 2024 #28
Same here buzzycrumbhunger Sep 2024 #30
Isn't New Mexico expected to be hard hit by climate change? Kaleva Sep 2024 #39
NM doesn't have hurricanes like FL RainCaster Sep 2024 #44
But it is expected to have extreme heat and drought Kaleva Sep 2024 #46
That hasn't chased insurance companies out of NM RainCaster Sep 2024 #63
Extreme heat and drought won't destroy buildings Kaleva Sep 2024 #115
NM was hotter this summer but we got lots of spring rain womanofthehills Sep 2024 #111
Everwhere is going to be hit by climate change. Lunabell Sep 2024 #58
The effects of climate change won't be uniform around the world Kaleva Sep 2024 #71
Well, where is a blue state that is acceptable? Lunabell Sep 2024 #75
From what I've read, the Great Lakes region and parts of the North East Kaleva Sep 2024 #81
Ih, I forgot to mention Lunabell Sep 2024 #104
Northern New Mexico womanofthehills Sep 2024 #112
We really want to get out of the south. Lunabell Sep 2024 #120
Santa Fe would be better .... aggiesal Sep 2024 #45
If I were an ignorant dumbass BOSSHOG Sep 2024 #2
In that case, I might be God! dchill Sep 2024 #26
Doesn't everyone hate him? buzzycrumbhunger Sep 2024 #31
Does God hate the approximately 45% of Florida voters that vote D? Again, if you were kelly1mm Sep 2024 #65
Remember the story of Lot atreides1 Sep 2024 #83
Not just Florida WestMichRad Sep 2024 #3
There is a reason the state capital was established up at the north end. Frasier Balzov Sep 2024 #4
Also, Tallahassee was halfway between Pensacola and St. Augustine. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #33
And also, Lunabell Sep 2024 #60
I feel bad for all the folks being affected by climate change... wcmagumba Sep 2024 #5
Last week, if someone said to me, how can I escape the weather disasters in Florida?, I'd have told them Intractable Sep 2024 #6
We have a lot of thinking to do in the Great Lakes and Northeast. roamer65 Sep 2024 #7
Disagree BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #8
The hurricane season is far from done. roamer65 Sep 2024 #10
Hurricanes are but one symptom of climate change BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #12
Not all of it. roamer65 Sep 2024 #13
Along with longer and hotter heat waves and bigger and hotter burning wildfires. GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #51
Here's NOAA'S 7-day forecast that shows it's headed more toward Mexico. ancianita Sep 2024 #37
No! Just NO! This shows absolutely NOTHING about any projected PATH!! It shows the area which there is a retread Sep 2024 #82
Dude, calm down. Forecasting probabilities of path is at the level of outlook, watch and warning. ancianita Sep 2024 #87
Didn't you say the 7 day forecast shows it headed more toward Mexico? retread Sep 2024 #110
Here's today's 2 pm NOAA outlook. What does it look like to you? ancianita Sep 2024 #113
I see the arrow. "I'm not seeing the danger ahead that folks in Central America & Mexico are seeing" This map retread Sep 2024 #119
Yep, there's a tropical storm ahead. ancianita Sep 2024 #121
I agree with you, except, markodochartaigh Sep 2024 #32
You might be over-estimating the value of migration to the northeast... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #9
A transformed North America. roamer65 Sep 2024 #11
That's a great site! Think. Again. Sep 2024 #20
It reaffirmed my decision to stay in my home state of Michigan for retirement. roamer65 Sep 2024 #21
I would point out though that moniss Sep 2024 #56
Excellent points... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #79
Yes indeed and the circumstances we moniss Sep 2024 #84
I agree... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #88
you can put your county in NJCher Sep 2024 #34
Np. roamer65 Sep 2024 #54
+1. Thanks for posting this. Consider making it it's own thread? yonder Sep 2024 #70
Thanks roamer65 bdamomma Sep 2024 #92
Very cool map! Glad I'm in Wisconsin 🙂 Luciferous Sep 2024 #100
That way lies fascism. The right wing of the future. marybourg Sep 2024 #17
What's your solution to the northward migration from Central America, Mexico and the Southern United States? roamer65 Sep 2024 #19
I'll butt in. markodochartaigh Sep 2024 #42
Alien immigration is a federal issue. Internal immigration is an non-issue under our marybourg Sep 2024 #22
Opinion. roamer65 Sep 2024 #24
Freedom of movement within the US for US citizens is not an 'opinion'. It is settled law. nt kelly1mm Sep 2024 #67
Settled law like Roe v Wade? roamer65 Sep 2024 #89
I'd like to live in my great grandparent's house in San Francisco. hunter Sep 2024 #91
Great Lakes region is predicted to become a mecca for climate change refugees. Kaleva Sep 2024 #41
Mixed feelings.... democratsruletheday Sep 2024 #94
Yes Kaleva Sep 2024 #95
Your proposal (at least the US part) is totally unconstitutional. Unless you are proposing sucession? nt kelly1mm Sep 2024 #61
Secession, btw. roamer65 Sep 2024 #62
Correct and corrected - too many C's! I agree with your overall premise of a devolution of federal kelly1mm Sep 2024 #64
That's ridiculous. We don't even do that for people coming from other countries. jimfields33 Sep 2024 #77
another one (Kirk? Leslie?) could hit Florida again by weeks end RussBLib Sep 2024 #15
The insurance companies will pull the plug by year's end. roamer65 Sep 2024 #18
It was the amazing amount of fraud that started them leaving. markodochartaigh Sep 2024 #43
I would never choose to live there, myself.... Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #16
I wouldn't live there soandso Sep 2024 #48
This is worth a watch Quixote1818 Sep 2024 #23
Kick dalton99a Sep 2024 #25
Floridians might be the new refugees and Florida now longer eligible to be one of the 50 states kimbutgar Sep 2024 #27
I can guarantee insurance companies are now discussing completely ending policy writings in FL. roamer65 Sep 2024 #29
I can tell you that insurance companies are dropping MontanaMama Sep 2024 #36
I am seeing more CA and TX plates in Michigan. roamer65 Sep 2024 #52
Montana is one of the fastest growing states soandso Sep 2024 #59
Why are all the top 5 fastest growing (by population) states red states? nt kelly1mm Sep 2024 #69
I didn't even notice that soandso Sep 2024 #74
Affordability. Can someone living in North Carolina move to California or Washington state? jimfields33 Sep 2024 #78
Montana and Idaho have now surpassed MontanaMama Sep 2024 #98
Wow. That's surprising. jimfields33 Sep 2024 #102
Awful! soandso Sep 2024 #108
When I lived in Helena, rent was $350 ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #114
Typical one bed 1 bath apartment in Missoula is now MontanaMama Sep 2024 #116
I was earning 14.50 an hour then ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #118
Similar situation here, not all that far from you. yonder Sep 2024 #66
In olden times families built " beach shacks" MotownPgh Sep 2024 #90
I am in no way saying climate change is not affecting our weather, but just blurting shit out like this does no good Cheezoholic Sep 2024 #35
Bigger and stronger hurricanes is clearly part of climate change GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #49
Some data soandso Sep 2024 #73
Online info searcher doesn't know more than the climate scientists GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #101
The data is from NOAA and the Hurricane Reporting Center soandso Sep 2024 #109
Your fact cherrypicking is downplaying the threat GoreWon2000 Oct 2024 #123
Not normal? We had 4 hurricanes in 2004 one right after the other. jimfields33 Sep 2024 #80
Please don't think you know more about this than the climate scientists GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #99
Ocean temperatures don't lie. bronxiteforever Sep 2024 #85
Plus can't forget the artic seas bronxiteforever Sep 2024 #86
Add sea levels increasing and Florida is going to be a much smaller state relayerbob Sep 2024 #38
The part of the Bay Area where I live is most vulnerable to sea level rise. The other disasters would have diane in sf Sep 2024 #40
. Marcuse Sep 2024 #47
When it comes to the Law VS Nature... notroot Sep 2024 #50
The tragedy of bushthief Florida 2000 lives on with climate change GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #53
This☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ roamer65 Sep 2024 #55
Earth 2070. roamer65 Sep 2024 #57
You're probably right about the low-lying, coastal cities. Aren't street already flooding at high tide in some of them? brush Sep 2024 #68
Not just Florida canetoad Sep 2024 #72
Odd that Florida is only state mentioned. It's really a mystery since out of states affected during this hurricane, jimfields33 Sep 2024 #76
The insurance companies are leaving first. That should be a knock-out blow to the economy. lindysalsagal Sep 2024 #93
No might be about it. Florida IS fucked. ananda Sep 2024 #96
The whole state is nothing more than a sandbar Emile Sep 2024 #97
Florida is in trouble Old Crank Sep 2024 #103
I think it's important to differentiate Torchlight Sep 2024 #105
I'm in the Cap District of NYS. We don't get many extreme weather events at all. I will inherit my mom's condo in Raftergirl Sep 2024 #106
Sad enid602 Sep 2024 #107
As far as NYC is concerned...we'll probably get more storms. More humidity in general- I hope not. As far as sea levels. electric_blue68 Sep 2024 #117
Take a look. roamer65 Sep 2024 #122
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