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88. Your post raises one question for me

Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:25 PM

Oct 2024

You said "abortion nationwide used to be available until 16 weeks. This was kind of the golden week when the heartbeat first starts."

Am I correct that this is referring to a real heartbeat, involving an organ and blood and stuff, and not the kind of "heartbeat" that "heartbeat laws" about abortion refer to? (I think they could more accurately be referred to as "cells emitting electrons" laws.)

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I'm gonna woman'splain something to men here about abortion as health care. Just so you know. [View all] flying_wahini Oct 2024 OP

Thank you for this clear and helpful explanation! spooky3 Oct 2024 #1

great summary... thx for taking the time! WarGamer Oct 2024 #2

It is refreshing and emboldoning FirefighterJo Oct 2024 #3

You are very much welcome. This is a valuable service. eppur_se_muova Oct 2024 #4

The only way to be ignorant of all this is... Girard442 Oct 2024 #5

We went through three miscarriages central scrutinizer Oct 2024 #6

Uglicans *NEVER* understand these things UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEM. eppur_se_muova Oct 2024 #95

Thank you! alwaysinasnit Oct 2024 #7

And the already-born children, now without a mother. CrispyQ Oct 2024 #8

Make this a talking point Blue Full Moon Oct 2024 #31

It's not 'splaining when you answer questions, and I have one... Hugin Oct 2024 #9

I can answer that. Yes. yardwork Oct 2024 #14

I thought that was the case. Hugin Oct 2024 #17

I had a uterine mole aka a molar pregnancy and had one. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #25

You see... Hugin Oct 2024 #51

Happy to help, Hugin. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #77

Those are very rare. My MAGA ex sister in law had one and which had a 'stunted growth' fetus as well. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #54

I had one. Lunabell Oct 2024 #32

I'm so sorry, Lunabell. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #78

Thanks. Lunabell Oct 2024 #83

I had to have a D&C. . . Collimator Oct 2024 #26

A similar circumstance occurred to someone I knew years ago... Hugin Oct 2024 #44

Yeah, uncontrolled bleeding during menopause comes to mind. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #50

Yes. I just had one. Whatthe_Firetruck Oct 2024 #74

Thank you for sharing your experience. Hugin Oct 2024 #85

Yes, I had one because of a condition called fibrous tumors. summer_in_TX Oct 2024 #94

It seems like there are a wide variety of conditions... Hugin Oct 2024 #97

Thank you for this explanation... MiHale Oct 2024 #10

This is important information that many of us men are smart enough to trust women and their docs to handle appropriately bluesbassman Oct 2024 #11

If men had to experience childbirth or even a heavy menstrual period milestogo Oct 2024 #12

My Catholic raised (but non-practicing) mom used to say: Cadfael Oct 2024 #19

My Catholic mom had surgery after ectopic pregnancy, D&C after miscarriage, had her tubes tied after the 8th child SharonAnn Oct 2024 #24

Stuff the Virgin Mary never told us. BattleRow Oct 2024 #38

And there would be a clinic... 3catwoman3 Oct 2024 #42

I don't think it is as much lack of empathy but a misunderstanding that abortions (D&C's) really is flying_wahini Oct 2024 #56

Thank you. In NC the Republican state legislature wouldn't allow public comments. yardwork Oct 2024 #13

I think refusing to hear expert input about these laws is deliberate. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #34

Yeah, the "irresponsible sluts" who are married Wednesdays Oct 2024 #52

This is a fantastically concise explanation -- thank you! LauraInLA Oct 2024 #15

I'm one of those men who didn't know this stuff.. Permanut Oct 2024 #16

Awesome explanation! Thank you so much! Tanuki Oct 2024 #18

Thank you. K&R. c-rational Oct 2024 #20

I don't resent you 'splainin' all that. 'Splain away, though I know most of it... Wounded Bear Oct 2024 #21

I had a miscarriage at 22 weeks and my husband and I waited in the ER littlemissmartypants Oct 2024 #22

Recced and book marked! LostOne4Ever Oct 2024 #23

Thanks for this! ShazzieB Oct 2024 #27

One of my siblings had two boys malaise Oct 2024 #28

This should be all over social media. nolabear Oct 2024 #29

Thank you! This is so useful MaryMagdaline Oct 2024 #30

Debbie Reynolds' miscarriages prior to Roe vs Wade MaryMagdaline Oct 2024 #33

Just because something is normal and even necessary doesn't mean it's SAFE Warpy Oct 2024 #35

Thank you for explaining! Elessar Zappa Oct 2024 #36

THIS should be published on the front page of every major newspaper - TBF Oct 2024 #37

You did good, flying wahini. After Dobbs, I guess everybody here heard me explode I was so triggered... Hekate Oct 2024 #39

Your poor mother. Yes, I knew of so many women that came in for their 8,9 tenth pregnancies flying_wahini Oct 2024 #59

My mom's choice of family doc was a good man. Dr O was a Roman Catholic, but no fanatic... Hekate Oct 2024 #67

This is why I have been on DU for 20 years. My wife had two miscarriages madinmaryland Oct 2024 #40

Thank you for this explanation LogDog75 Oct 2024 #41

This is an excellent OP. MontanaMama Oct 2024 #43

Thank you so much for this post!! Sogo Oct 2024 #45

Thank you. It made me cry. To be so helpless and at the mercy of these goddamn thugs Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #46

I hate these chickenshit Dr.s who are scared to death to ACT. The Hippocratic Oath flying_wahini Oct 2024 #60

Good info. Thank you for posting. FSogol Oct 2024 #47

This bugs me, and please forgive me calling anyone here an idiot. rockbluff botanist Oct 2024 #48

You know it occurred to me that maybe that is part of the problem. That men flying_wahini Oct 2024 #62

Very interesting. I readily found the Emily Martin article from 1991, and look forward to reading it Hekate Oct 2024 #71

But how do you square this with a pregnancy that results from rape? CTyankee Oct 2024 #81

Well, maybe this is over-simlifying, Mr.Bill Oct 2024 #103

I agree 100% on that for sure. CTyankee Oct 2024 #104

Wow, interesting! electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #90

That's excellent detail LittleGirl Oct 2024 #49

K&R Bayard Oct 2024 #53

Yea, they are hearing nothing at 6 weeks. Pumping from the placenta makes a kind of swooshing sound. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #64

Thanks for that... learned a few things!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2024 #55

Could you, or someone, please make a graphic nonfiction book with clear illustrations, and personal stories, Timeflyer Oct 2024 #57

As I mentioned earlier, maybe we should use the term D&C instead of 'abortion'. It might help get thru. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #65

Those books already exist, but you might have to look in the Women's Health section of bookstores... Hekate Oct 2024 #76

And honestly, we shouldn't have. Doctors get years Ilsa Oct 2024 #91

It's cruel to make women have to face a long road trip right after dealing with these sorts of medical complications. nt Shermann Oct 2024 #58

K&R canetoad Oct 2024 #61

I would bet you that most of the men on SCOTUS don't understand it all. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #66

Someone at my job taught me the perfect retort GAJMac Oct 2024 #63

I think women need medical professionals that take charge in these situations. And angry husbands. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #68

It makes no sense that anyone else should care what is happening in the patients life. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #69

um, Kali Oct 2024 #70

I stand corrected. The latest figures I just saw said 60% . We were taught tripled and I didn't recheck. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #72

Might want to edit the OP. Ms. Toad Oct 2024 #93

Dear op: It isn't a rant. It's plain old, B.See Oct 2024 #73

People familiar with genealogy know what happened to women in the past wnylib Oct 2024 #75

Thank you for this very clear and excellent explanation. A must read! HeartsCanHope Oct 2024 #79

K & R - this is an excellent post FakeNoose Oct 2024 #80

I don't think most Republicans consider this kind of care an 'Abortion'. They consider it birth control. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #82

Lifetime maternal death rate used to be 50% IbogaProject Oct 2024 #84

This coming from a nurse bdamomma Oct 2024 #86

Thank you, excellent post wendyb-NC Oct 2024 #87

Your post raises one question for me hvn_nbr_2 Oct 2024 #88

Thanks. Good job. philly_bob Oct 2024 #89

Good explanation. mdbl Oct 2024 #92

The thing that gets me is, these MAGA crazies want women to die because they couldn't sustain a pregnancy. mucholderthandirt Oct 2024 #96

woman'splaining means telling the truth if..fish..had..wings Oct 2024 #98

Every GOP politician should read this. surfered Oct 2024 #99

This is Great Mr. Mustard 2023 Oct 2024 #100

Thank you Wild blueberry Oct 2024 #101

Labor and delivery nurse friend KT2000 Oct 2024 #102

Fantastic post. You put several points into context lostnfound Oct 2024 #105