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meadowlander

(5,135 posts)
16. I've already answered your questions in 10.
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 06:11 PM
Oct 2024

As for state by state comparisons these are skewed by:
- urban versus rural population spread
- when Covid hit them worst and which variant they got (for example, California and New York were hit early with the deadliest strain)
- vaccination rates later in the game
- capacity and functioning in the local hospital system
- willingness to comply with various government mandates
- how deaths were attributed and reported - for example, Florida significantly undercounted deaths attributing them to flu unless there was an affirmative positive Covid test

There's more than enough data out there that shows that government response made a significant difference in death rates. And the countries that were most successful in keeping the death rate down were the ones that were able to make a coordinated response at the national level.

I'd also add that Trump made the states compete with each other for ventilators and said more than once that they were prioritising red states for them.

Government interventions only work up to a point if there is no willingness among the population to cooperate with them. Imagine a world where Trump came out on Day 1 and did nothing other than say "This is serious. We need to put politics aside and listen to the scientists. Stay at home, wear a mask, wash your hands, don't hoard, get vaccinated as soon as you can. We're going to prioritise resources to the states that need them the most."

You know, leadership.

What would those death rates look like then? I can guarantee they'd be a lot lower, regardless of specific actions either the federal or state governments took.

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Thoroughly documented at the time, too. MAGAts didn't care. eppur_se_muova Oct 2024 #1
Yep musclecar6 Oct 2024 #2
"Somebody competent" Bayard Oct 2024 #3
I'm not sure what the "first time ever" part is about, since this was reported in 2020 JHB Oct 2024 #4
I Think That's It ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #5
Let's not forget how Trump pulled federally-funded disease researchers out of China JHB Oct 2024 #6
I live in Michigan where Gov. Whitmer was in charge during the pandemic MichMan Oct 2024 #7
Not every state was lucky enough to have a Governor Whitmer. meadowlander Oct 2024 #10
I don't see that breakdown in the numbers MichMan Oct 2024 #12
I live in New Zealand. meadowlander Oct 2024 #13
I am asking specifically what the federal government should have done that the state governors failed to do? MichMan Oct 2024 #14
I've already answered your questions in 10. meadowlander Oct 2024 #16
You did say shutting down all interstate roads to any traffic and closing all the meatpacking plants. MichMan Oct 2024 #17
Yes. meadowlander Oct 2024 #18
The Level 4 protocols are very close to what Gov. Whitmer put in place in Michigan MichMan Oct 2024 #19
But of course, Trump knew better than *all* the experts. keep_left Oct 2024 #8
Trump is a mass murderer. NameAlreadyTaken Oct 2024 #9
He should be tried as an adult! hay rick Oct 2024 #11
He speaks the God's own truth. The book was widely distributed in the govt by Obama, ... Hekate Oct 2024 #15
I wonder how many were registered republican. Emile Oct 2024 #20
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