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41. "Should so choose"

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 04:18 PM

Oct 2024

When the civil rights and equal protection under the law are threatened by what this or that state "chooses" to do, we look to the federal government for relief. That is long established. 600,00 young men died to establish that.

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If Garland won't secure the ballot boxes Biden MUST! The burnings are escalating [View all] Iwasthere Oct 2024 OP

I hate to say this, but I think he needs to fire Garland SouthernCal_Dem Oct 2024 #1

And what would she have done to prevent these fires? TwilightZone Oct 2024 #5

Law enforcement is about more than just enforcement SouthernCal_Dem Oct 2024 #7

Oh, please. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #12

Are there not any security cameras on these ballot Meadowoak Oct 2024 #34

What about mailboxes? TwilightZone Oct 2024 #100

Remember the pugs where the ones that wanted cameras thatdemguy Oct 2024 #129

ballot box near ,my home is secure, tamper proof and with cameras. msfiddlestix Oct 2024 #162

Absolutely Meadowoak Oct 2024 #37

Police do not deter crimes. edisdead Oct 2024 #55

Prosecution Cirsium Oct 2024 #94

they think our system is weak rampartd Oct 2024 #154

That is absurd Cirsium Oct 2024 #22

In election matters, that's up to state and local officials. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #35

Where all does that apply? Cirsium Oct 2024 #65

This is happening in blue states too. LeftInTX Oct 2024 #67

Right Cirsium Oct 2024 #74

Hell, Gilligan is more capable. orthoclad Oct 2024 #13

Yes, fire his sorry ass. Meadowoak Oct 2024 #28

With three months to go? LiberalFighter Oct 2024 #56

You're probably right. Not a good look to do it now. SouthernCal_Dem Oct 2024 #61

Those fuckers. Empty those things out now, and every hour from now to election day. Scrivener7 Oct 2024 #2

States control the boxes BidenRocks Oct 2024 #33

Biden doesn't have any new powers. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #3

I expect both Bidend and Garland to protect our Fuck!ng vote, that's what Iwasthere Oct 2024 #10

We shouldn't use Trump's behavior as the basis for our own. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #19

It is our very precious vote that's at stake, Jesus! protect it Iwasthere Oct 2024 #31

OK, but how? Lulu KC Oct 2024 #78

Logistical plan??? Cirsium Oct 2024 #91

No movement Lulu KC Oct 2024 #108

Or you could help with a plan Iwasthere Oct 2024 #115

I know my strengths and this isn't one of them Lulu KC Oct 2024 #141

I'm sorry, these recent events are in my backyard Iwasthere Oct 2024 #51

Amen Cirsium Oct 2024 #146

I'm glad we humor you Ilikepurple Oct 2024 #161

You have to be kidding Cirsium Oct 2024 #23

Do you NOT understand the 10th Amendment??? Dock_Yard Oct 2024 #113

Okay so we'll just accept the burnings then Iwasthere Oct 2024 #120

I didn't go there. You digressed into exaggeration and tangents. Dock_Yard Oct 2024 #125

OK Cirsium Oct 2024 #150

I would have a half dozen security cameras covering each and Meadowoak Oct 2024 #48

Thats what the repugs wanted before thatdemguy Oct 2024 #132

Yes, I'm afraid this is only going to get worse and more widespread as we get closer to the election Farmgirl1961 Oct 2024 #4

This is up to local law enforcement, not DoJ. Ocelot II Oct 2024 #6

Up to the states? Cirsium Oct 2024 #26

Elections are regulated and administered by the states. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #32

Equal protection under the law Cirsium Oct 2024 #49

Well then every single criminal case should be federal LeftInTX Oct 2024 #60

Pretty sure you don't understand the equal protection clause and how and when it is applied. onenote Oct 2024 #76

That is silly Cirsium Oct 2024 #88

I'd love to hear your explanation of how the equal protection clause is violated by the destruction of a ballot box? onenote Oct 2024 #96

No Cirsium Oct 2024 #151

No? You've repeatedly cited the equal protection clause as the basis for federal intervention. onenote Oct 2024 #167

I don't disagree but the federal government has limited power Ocelot II Oct 2024 #39

Safeguarding the rights of the citizens Cirsium Oct 2024 #53

So write to DoJ and tell them to get their asses to Portland to guard ballot dropboxes. Ocelot II Oct 2024 #87

Sure Cirsium Oct 2024 #89

It's not a matter of opposition at all. It's just that your understanding of the extent Ocelot II Oct 2024 #95

Me too Iwasthere Oct 2024 #123

Nobody's opposing anything Lulu KC Oct 2024 #142

This thread! I think he should charter a jet to DC LeftInTX Oct 2024 #93

Please cite the specific statutory authority that gives DoJ the power Ocelot II Oct 2024 #92

Maybe Cirsium Oct 2024 #153

The National Guard is under the control of state governors. Ocelot II Oct 2024 #155

Yes, of course Cirsium Oct 2024 #156

No one could stop state gerrymandering. LakeArenal Oct 2024 #90

Yes, it's up to the states. They, and only they, have the number of personnel necessary muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #98

So let's all just throw up our arms Iwasthere Oct 2024 #124

There's plenty you can do. You can demand your state guards ballot boxes muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #127

IT IS GETTING DONE by local L/E - see link Dock_Yard Oct 2024 #131

Oh great Cirsium Oct 2024 #157

It is an argument that the crowd here doesn't want to hear Bev54 Oct 2024 #52

Nah..He's responsible for roller rinks. LeftInTX Oct 2024 #69

New powers? sarisataka Oct 2024 #8

Post removed Post removed Oct 2024 #17

That would be an option sarisataka Oct 2024 #21

The boxes should be indoors, collected every day, have observers present, & bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #24

Indoor boxes do make sense, but isn't that decision up to local election officials? sarisataka Oct 2024 #27

I didn't mention Biden, you did. bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #45

I mentioned Biden because the OP did sarisataka Oct 2024 #50

When GOP officials tried to do that, we rightfully called it voter suppression. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2024 #38

But we need the feds and BOP! LeftInTX Oct 2024 #75

Shooting on sight? Eko Oct 2024 #42

It's sometimes an option in riots and looting. Not often used in the US. bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #47

I dont care if it is sometimes an option Eko Oct 2024 #57

Biden now has immunity from prosecution for any.... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #18

Since it is the OP calling for use of these "powers" sarisataka Oct 2024 #20

You seemed to be genuinely perplexed... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #112

I would have been perplexed in Biden had superpowers sarisataka Oct 2024 #114

Yes, he's the only person on the planet not accountable to any U.S. law... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #121

Well if he isn't accountable we have nothing to fear sarisataka Oct 2024 #126

No, it isn't, he is immune to prosecution from breaking laws... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #134

Overturning the election would "faithfully execute the office of President." sarisataka Oct 2024 #138

Yes, but simply claiming candidates are disqualified doesn't break any written laws... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #140

Why are you saying that? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2024 #173

I have been trying to point out how dangerous this ruling is since it came down... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #174

Yes Cirsium Oct 2024 #30

How? sarisataka Oct 2024 #40

There are often state/federal conflicts Cirsium Oct 2024 #159

garland can't be embarrassed... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #9

Elections are the responsibility of state and local officials. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #25

Equal protection Cirsium Oct 2024 #36

Nope. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #46

Yep Cirsium Oct 2024 #70

You clearly have no idea what equal protection is or what it applies to. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #103

Thanks Cirsium Oct 2024 #170

The deterence and prosecution of federal crimes such as election interference... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #117

Surprised me Cirsium Oct 2024 #158

Deprivation of civil rights is federal business Mysterian Oct 2024 #165

Here in PA our boxes are inside buildings bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #11

insane! Hopefully there's an immediate response and plan ecstatic Oct 2024 #14

Elections are run by local governments, not the federal government. MineralMan Oct 2024 #15

"Should so choose" Cirsium Oct 2024 #41

We should all think outside the box on this Iwasthere Oct 2024 #63

The purpose of DU is to hound and mob Garland LeftInTX Oct 2024 #66

What do you think should be done? TwilightZone Oct 2024 #107

Not all boxes aren't secure Iwasthere Oct 2024 #128

Biden's failure to act, re: Garland, endangers us all orthoclad Oct 2024 #16

Has Garland even released a statement? senseandsensibility Oct 2024 #29

What do people think Garland or Biden could do about state controlled ballot boxes????????????????? nt LAS14 Oct 2024 #43

Federal agents at every ballot box 24/7 in the country? LeftInTX Oct 2024 #44

Put the dang things inside the police station lobby Meadowoak Oct 2024 #62

Or have local cops guard them? LeftInTX Oct 2024 #64

That could probably be construed as voter intimidation. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #72

Kind of burdensome/cumbersome, eh? elleng Oct 2024 #81

Local surveillance will suffice LeftInTX Oct 2024 #83

For everyone here to get a clear picture of what federal and state LE are doing about this. Eko Oct 2024 #54

The vote is a contract with the people for a peaceful society. LuvLoogie Oct 2024 #58

The vote is being sabotaged now. kentuck Oct 2024 #59

It looks like it's every man/woman for themselves folks. Good luck! jalan48 Oct 2024 #68

Are Trump/Vance condemning it? keithbvadu2 Oct 2024 #71

Merrick Garland might as well just go clutch Susan Collin's pearls Blue Owl Oct 2024 #73

Defending Garland Cirsium Oct 2024 #77

Still waiting on the action you want to see sarisataka Oct 2024 #80

The wait is over Cirsium Oct 2024 #102

I suppose he could do a news conference sarisataka Oct 2024 #110

If it was plasteted on every outlet of a $250,000 fine and a potentional 10 year jail stint Iwasthere Oct 2024 #136

Is that the current law for election interference? sarisataka Oct 2024 #139

Good point Cirsium Oct 2024 #169

No one is defending Garland. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #85

Not what I see Cirsium Oct 2024 #171

Exactly Iwasthere Oct 2024 #130

Oh, yeah, that'll stop them Lulu KC Oct 2024 #143

I will never understand the Garland defenders. Sky Jewels Oct 2024 #163

'Nice' talk, that the President should 'embarass' the Attorrney General, elleng Oct 2024 #79

The best solution to dumpster fires is to stop putting your ballots in them. Hope22 Oct 2024 #82

I live in a all mail state and Tree Lady Oct 2024 #148

That's good. Hope22 Oct 2024 #164

Uh, LBJ - Selma 3825-87867 Oct 2024 #84

What about USPS mail boxes which are used for mail-in ballots? onenote Oct 2024 #86

Had the same thought. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #97

Only put Rebl2 Oct 2024 #99

Hey I have a rickety mailbox on front of my house LeftInTX Oct 2024 #101

And a mail carrier was caught dumping mail Lulu KC Oct 2024 #144

Should we have stop lights at every intersection? Ilikepurple Oct 2024 #160

They are saying the FBI is investigating now mucifer Oct 2024 #104

Wow we can trust that Tree Lady Oct 2024 #149

Rememeber when we called it "election interference" when some states enacted laws that ballot boxes had to be Silent Type Oct 2024 #105

Nah, it still doesn't make sense. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #116

Ballot boxes are more secure than blue mail boxes. I think this kind of terrorism will get worse, so ballot boxes Silent Type Oct 2024 #119

Oregon is a 100% mail-in state. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #135

I live in Oregon turned my ballot Tree Lady Oct 2024 #147

I sure as hell won't defend Garland. It shouldn't take Emile Oct 2024 #106

That has nothing to do with the OP. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #111

The attack on the election system is proof they know they are losing. PurgedVoter Oct 2024 #109

Well to be sure, if The Orange Menace prevails, it'll be taken care of. miyazaki Oct 2024 #118

With this issue? With few days left. Prairie_Seagull Oct 2024 #122

And there IS!!! Dock_Yard Oct 2024 #133

Action is being taken. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #137

IMO the Governors in each state should develop a plan to guard the ballot boxes... there are several ways this could be Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #145

The one in Portland was monitored. Only 3 ballots LeftInTX Oct 2024 #172

In the future maybe deposit boxes need WiFi enabled scanners. CoopersDad Oct 2024 #152

Garland leads an army of lawyers, not an army of soldiers.... Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #166

There are a limited number of magats that could be expected to do these things... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #175

Call him the WH and demand he secure the election JCMach1 Oct 2024 #168