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ecstatic

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83. All the reasons for the loss explained
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:47 PM
Nov 2024

Good old' boys network: The good old boys protected trump. He was dead in the water after J6. Barr, McConnell, and then Garland allowed trump to come back to life. They didn't think it was worth holding him accountable for their own ridiculous reasons, and now an incompetent traitorous criminal will be back in the white house.

Poor "real time" messaging: Democrats did a horrible job explaining all the good that was done IN REAL TIME during Biden's term. All that fighting and walking the picket lines. For what? Nobody knew, nobody cared. Meanwhile, the gop has been pumping out propaganda for decades. They reach our potential voters by attacking from the right but also attacking from a left perspective (designed to keep voters home / discouraged). We were all surprised by the statistic that Bill Clinton cited at the DNC--why is that? It is really fucked up that even Democrats are not aware of the dramatic difference between republican job creation and democratic job creation.

Hopelessly dumb people: Yes, that's a major reason as well. Everyone saw what trump did on January 6. Everyone has seen the chaos, lies, and cruelty. They somehow think that a mass deportation plan won't potentially put them at risk of being picked up and tossed into a camp. They want to give cops the power to "deport" people. There were dumb people who were hung up on Kamala's ethnicity or who she might have slept with.

Resentful (dumb) people: A lot of resentment around what they think migrants are receiving in the form of cash and luxury hotels.

Voter suppression: Well documented. The gop passed dozens of laws all over the US in 2021 after Garland failed to act and shut down trump's lies and gaslighting.

Misogyny: People who still believe that women can't be president!!!

Also, trump brought in a LOT of new political newbies into the fray. Political newbies have a simple view of the world and how things work and they tend to go through certain stages before they settle on their final belief system. One of the first stops is usually anti-undocumented immigrants and resentment surrounding that. Then when you factor in all the uninformed influencers like Joe Rogan and others spouting mis/dis-info day and night--it was like a perfect storm really.

So there you have it. Now I'll wait for you to explain how we can counter those things.

Again, the best we can do is pump out our own propaganda at the levels and speed of the gop/rightwing.

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Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Coventina Nov 2024 #1
Thank you. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #4
Indeed malaise Nov 2024 #28
They are dead now... Spazito Nov 2024 #109
. intheflow Nov 2024 #126
There's been a lot of introspection and discussion about possible causes. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #2
You are wrong but not gonna argue with you on it. And who are you to tell everyone what to do, think, say. LizBeth Nov 2024 #3
I added "just my opinion"... Libosaurus Nov 2024 #11
A "Hard Discussion "? ProfessorGAC Nov 2024 #89
Your "concern" is noted. DinahMoeHum Nov 2024 #5
Wut LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #6
"stop with the Misogyny" Quiet Em Nov 2024 #7
Yes it did Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #33
Misogyny was La Coliniere Nov 2024 #119
Occam's Razor DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #8
Yes Kaleva Nov 2024 #43
Which reduced their egg consumption Zambero Nov 2024 #78
I talked to some kid who thought because tsf signed WhiteTara Nov 2024 #117
Occam's Razor DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #9
And bacon. Sweet Jebus, don't forget the price of bacon. Xavier Breath Nov 2024 #112
Joe was referring to the Trump-supporter/comedian as the only garbage blm Nov 2024 #10
It wasn't spun. Joe misspoke and we couldn't even admit it! Pisces Nov 2024 #14
It was apparent what he meant. blm Nov 2024 #22
I know what he meant, it isn't me whose holding it against him!! Pisces Nov 2024 #46
I saw plenty of people admit it Lulu KC Nov 2024 #26
He issued a clarification. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #31
How can you worry about Joe's gaff Keepthesoulalive Nov 2024 #44
It isn't anyone on this board that is worried or concerned about his gaffe. Pisces Nov 2024 #49
That didn't change any minds Keepthesoulalive Nov 2024 #67
True, there is no logic Pisces Nov 2024 #68
Except Joe said Trump supporters - womanofthehills Nov 2024 #36
Welcome back. /nt yardwork Nov 2024 #53
Trump supporter's blm Nov 2024 #66
But why would Joe saying that result in someone voting Trump over Harris ? JI7 Nov 2024 #101
Oh, boo hoo. Sparkly Nov 2024 #116
I'm not blaming Russia but Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #12
Why would you do that? Libosaurus Nov 2024 #19
I'm asking because you said we need to adjust to the electorate. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #23
We need to do a 4-year study of voter preferences. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #35
Harris focused on policy. Economic policy. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #38
My post is about the Democratic Party. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #42
what are your suggestions for countering Quiet Em Nov 2024 #51
???? Libosaurus Nov 2024 #54
Your post is wagging a finger at Democrats seemingly intheflow Nov 2024 #64
My post isn't about Trump or the Republicans. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #70
Why have our male candidates lost their elections? Libosaurus Nov 2024 #76
We have policy. intheflow Nov 2024 #79
Why are so many people responding with ''but Trump!!!?' Libosaurus Nov 2024 #85
And you're saying we didn't talk about policy. intheflow Nov 2024 #90
My post did not mention "Trump." Libosaurus Nov 2024 #91
No, your post trashed key Democratic values intheflow Nov 2024 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #104
Riiiiight. intheflow Nov 2024 #107
Because, I don't happy feet Nov 2024 #106
WTI, Clown hatrack Nov 2024 #61
We need to do deep analysis of the all of the voters wants. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #37
in bold RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2024 #62
Oh good. A no poster with an opinion. MineralMan Nov 2024 #13
We lost because Predatory Capitalism jacked up prices Emile Nov 2024 #15
Yep, and thank you. Sometimes I wonder if I just dreamed the whole global inflation + incredible corporate profits thing Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #18
And most people never saw TheFarseer Nov 2024 #120
The problem was not the candidate or her campaign, it was uninformed voters. Vinca Nov 2024 #16
Our candidate was awesome. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #21
Not only is half the electorate garbage they are breathtakingly stupid. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #17
Isn't orange thug president to all Americans? Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #20
Yup. Say hello to supreme overlord of earth, Vladimir Putin. Initech Nov 2024 #32
Respectfully,.this is a pretty much a garbage post JCMach1 Nov 2024 #24
joe did not call the electorate garbage. that's just trumpian misinformation nt msongs Nov 2024 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 2024 #27
Who said Russia didn't intervene when Joe won? Jit423 Nov 2024 #29
My explanation is your "excuse". marybourg Nov 2024 #30
Time out! Hope22 Nov 2024 #34
We got our asses kick and all I see is excuses CRB Nov 2024 #39
Please quantify your statement about voters and women. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #52
Now you're being intentionally obtuse. intheflow Nov 2024 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #65
Okay then, old timer. nt Tommy Carcetti Nov 2024 #40
they're so fucking OBVIOUS Skittles Nov 2024 #58
Russia has interfered all along KT2000 Nov 2024 #41
wow obamanut2012 Nov 2024 #45
Tell us your opinion of what went wrong. I think it is obvious. walkingman Nov 2024 #47
Well, I'll ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #48
Very well said. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #50
of course you do Skittles Nov 2024 #57
OK so we can RECOGNIZE fascism Skittles Nov 2024 #56
That was talked about a lot before the election. Libosaurus Nov 2024 #73
LOL Skittles Nov 2024 #75
Why does ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #84
what is the alternative? Skittles Nov 2024 #122
I said ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #123
actually yes YOU DID Skittles Nov 2024 #124
Curiously, did the opposition present any policy cachukis Nov 2024 #71
Yes and no. ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #82
I agree about the drunken jerks. The dignity factor cachukis Nov 2024 #105
IF you vote for a felon, a convicted rapist, a racist, you are not "good people". walkingman Nov 2024 #80
They are stupid and hateful! Fuck that! Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #121
LOL Skittles Nov 2024 #55
Bold words from someone here less than a month. intheflow Nov 2024 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #60
The general public expresses that hatred dpibel Nov 2024 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #69
Why do you hate free speech? intheflow Nov 2024 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #81
Free speech means anyone can voice their political opinions. intheflow Nov 2024 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #92
In a quick 7 posts, the snake eats its tail dpibel Nov 2024 #95
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #96
Ooh! Only two more posts before you can do an OP dpibel Nov 2024 #100
Ain't happeing BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #111
With impressive speed! dpibel Nov 2024 #113
Yeah BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #114
Which has what to do with your initial premise? dpibel Nov 2024 #94
uh huh Nimble_Idea Nov 2024 #74
All the reasons for the loss explained ecstatic Nov 2024 #83
Yeah, we really need to dumb it down or else we're committing suicide. milestogo Nov 2024 #87
I hated the low unemployment bragging greymattermom Nov 2024 #88
Whoever thought it would be a good idea to drag the horrid and utterly despicable Liz Cheney out Caribbeans Nov 2024 #97
Harris would have been better served to campaign with Bernie. He would have helped with the working class vote. jalan48 Nov 2024 #118
It was misogyny with a healthy dose of racism Persondem Nov 2024 #98
Russia did intervene. They got caught trying, anyway. The record of their intervention was suppressed by Trump. lees1975 Nov 2024 #99
LOL. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #102
Hear, hear minstrel76 Nov 2024 #103
Another opinion JeffinUT Nov 2024 #108
"we" ... 😂 Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #110
That's something JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #115
DEADLINE WHITEHOUSE uncovers REAL REASON Why Kamala Lost - Nicole Wallace MSNBC revealing Insights LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #125
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