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appmanga

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Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:40 PM Nov 2024

So many of us continue to live in denial... [View all]

...looking for all kinds of reasons why Harris didn't just lose, but lost in a stunning fashion. I wrote here months ago the "Biden's age" was the proxy for "that black lady who takes over if he dies". I can understand why it's difficult for so many to wrap their heads around the fact "inflation" became the replacement for that because it means admitting a truth that might be scary, painful, embarrassing, or all of the above.

Kamala Harris lost because of sexism, racism, and bigotry. It's just that simple. I underestimated the impact of the transgender prisoner ads, and I guess the campaign did too. While the black men who voted did vote for Harris in huge numbers, a lot of them, particularly in the South stayed home. Numbers from NC and GA are going to show that. There was already a cohort of Latino men who openly expressed they wouldn't vote for a woman for president, and those ads buttressed their reluctance. Areas known to have large Puerto Rican populations still went for Trump in spite of being insulted by his campaign.

People have become sophisticated enough to say things like "inflation", or "I don't know enough about her", or "I have to do my research" as opposed to channeling their inner Archie Bunker, but the conclusion is the same. This is why they polls don't reflect the results: people aren't obligated to tell the truth, so they don't. Trump has provided the permission structure and the attitude, and, as his supporters have said, he says what people really think. And he doesn't suffer any punishment for it. They can let their votes do their talking.

So if the result isn't making sense to you, it's because of the denial. The media continues to do it as well. When you come to the wrong conclusions you can't arrive at the right corrections.

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Nikki Haley said it in a debate. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #1
"Biden's age" was the proxy for ... Bluetus Nov 2024 #2
yet "that black lady who takes over if he dies" was also true in 2020 when he beat Trump. thesquanderer Nov 2024 #38
That is a good point, for those who have some knowledge of the democratic process Bluetus Nov 2024 #74
The pandemic was a huge factor in 2020, I think. CrispyQ Nov 22 #77
I don't recall the nonstop coverage of Biden's age in 2020 dpibel Nov 22 #83
The winner. People don't have to tell the truth when asked - and they don't. harumph Nov 2024 #3
Considering her position on July 21st, I think they ran a great campaign Jarqui Nov 2024 #30
I assumed women would carry Kamala to victory Kaleva Nov 2024 #35
As a white female voter cannabis_flower Nov 2024 #42
Don't fall for the "price of eggs" bullshit. People are doing very well in this economy Yavin4 Nov 2024 #69
And a majority of adults are overweight Kaleva Nov 2024 #72
Wow serbbral Nov 22 #84
Apparently stories about repub women being angry about Roe were overblown. ??? CrispyQ Nov 22 #78
I think it was a combo of factors. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #4
It really wasn't. It was all about the GOP getting the MRA and incel vote via social media. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #12
Gen Z moved towards President Trump, moreso men but women as well as compared to those that supported kelly1mm Nov 2024 #28
once again Skittles Nov 2024 #14
Yes, it should be obvious. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #15
THAT is what all of us with critical thinking skills can agree on Skittles Nov 2024 #17
We could have acknowledged it more instead of saying it was better and just in peoples minds that things were bad, Pisces Nov 2024 #32
So do they think grocery prices are going to come down now. Trump cares about your grocery prices? Walleye Nov 2024 #56
Lets assume this is true for arguments sale. Lets ALSO look at Gen Z voters moving towards kelly1mm Nov 2024 #5
Joe Biden had a 39% to 41% approval ratining in exit polls. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #6
Except, you know, Bush Jr., who, by 2004, had dismal approval ratings asm128 Nov 2024 #9
His appoval ratings in November of 2004 hovered around fifty percent. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #11
yup Skittles Nov 2024 #18
In the immediate aftermath of the attack it hit 90% in Gallup. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #22
that made me sick Skittles Nov 2024 #25
people are so freaking gullible ---This is our main problem. CrispyQ Nov 22 #80
omg Skittles Nov 22 #82
Nonsense. Knuckledraggers would have run to vote Sarah Palin leftstreet Nov 2024 #7
People forget Barack Obama won twice. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #8
he may have been the first black person to be president Skittles Nov 2024 #19
Skittles DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #21
That's preposterously naive and out of touch Orrex Nov 2024 #24
No incumbent president DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #31
what you are forgetting Skittles Nov 2024 #41
WOW, DSB! This: calimary Nov 2024 #45
what have repukes EVER done to make their lives better? Skittles Nov 2024 #49
How many of those incumbents were black women? Orrex Nov 2024 #61
"Who got me a cheaper bag of Doritos?" Yeah, it was that Adolf guy... Jack Valentino Nov 2024 #70
bullshit Skittles Nov 2024 #26
Obama was the first president to utilize the internet in a campaign tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #40
Remember in a speech Obama gave, sometime after Trump was prez, CrispyQ Nov 22 #81
Not true. If it were true, why wasn't Nikki Haley the nominee? valleyrogue Nov 2024 #13
Denial is one of the 5 stages of grief Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #10
Good reminder, Blue_Roses. calimary Nov 2024 #47
We sure do. But, right now Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #50
I believe you, my friend. calimary Nov 2024 #52
What did the Republicans do right? tenderfoot Nov 2024 #16
They didn't run a black woman with a 2 month campaign, Pisces Nov 2024 #34
Bingo! nt cannabis_flower Nov 2024 #44
That's pretty harsh Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #51
She lost ground in every demographic save one Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #65
A 2 month campaign did her in. We needed a primary from the very beginning. Our blind spot was how Pisces Nov 2024 #73
One thing trump.does well Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #54
The best time to attack someone who's traumatized is while the trauma is still ongoing Orrex Nov 2024 #20
If YOU feel attacked, you're missing the point... appmanga Nov 2024 #62
The attacks are upon people feeling shattered by the election Orrex Nov 2024 #63
I appreciate critques and answers now, just take a break if you can't stand the heat Beringia Nov 2024 #66
See, even that framing is adversarial Orrex Nov 2024 #68
What do you mean by "a stunning fashion" nilram Nov 2024 #23
Casey Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #64
How many of us on DU are still working full time while trying to feed and clothe our kids? summer_in_TX Nov 2024 #27
No, they are reckless, stupid, assholes they willfully put my ass and their's too in a sling. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #46
Of course Kamala and Joe were both lied about. markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #29
I dearly hope that time is coming, my friend. calimary Nov 2024 #48
Well said and when you hit the transgender moniss Nov 2024 #33
Yup, and that is why the next and the next and the next BigmanPigman Nov 2024 #36
When will another woman take a chance and run, when this is America Beringia Nov 2024 #67
Actually it's about being the change candidate under periods of perceived economic uncertainty andym Nov 2024 #37
Trump is responsible for the economic uncertainty and SammyWinstonJack Nov 2024 #60
Ironic and tragic, but Trump is a troublemaker and will cause more pain. NT. andym Nov 2024 #71
Except that 45% women and 45% of Latinos voted for Trump Pototan Nov 2024 #39
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #43
Hispanic men absolutely will.vote.for a woman Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #53
The reasons you posit in your OP surely have validity True Dough Nov 2024 #55
This is a breakdown Jen Taub on Mary Trump Media shared yesterday: madaboutharry Nov 2024 #57
I know. LisaL Nov 2024 #59
A seriously good OP malaise Nov 2024 #58
I am late getting to this thread serbbral Nov 22 #75
And propaganda. Basso8vb Nov 22 #76
A woman lost twice to Trump. A Black woman lost once. usonian Nov 22 #79
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