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In reply to the discussion: Report from Gaza: Palestinians Feel They Are Being "Slowly Exterminated" in Israel's Genocide [View all]AloeVera
(4,237 posts)154. You are mischaracterizing ethnic cleansing.
It is the expulsion of a population from a given territory. Not necessarily all the people, or the whole territory. Bosnia for instance, that is widely recognized as ethnic cleansing.
So let's stop time at the point the Cossacks have been shipped off. They were still ethnically cleansed, no?
The logical conclusion of ethnic cleansing (the replacement) - and its raison d'être - is the byproduct of the crime, not the crime itself.
That it's happening in the north of Gaza the last 6 weeks is undeniable. Note that the HRW report only looked at events up to August and still made its conclusion.
HRWs report argued that the actions of the Israeli authorities in Gaza are the actions of one ethnic or religious group to remove Palestinians, another ethnic or religious group, from areas within Gaza by violent means.
It alleged the nature of the displacement was organized, and that the intention of Israeli forces is to ensure affected areas will remain permanently emptied and cleansed of Palestinians.
It alleged the nature of the displacement was organized, and that the intention of Israeli forces is to ensure affected areas will remain permanently emptied and cleansed of Palestinians.
But perhaps the best arbiter of what's happening is not HRW and certainly not you and me in the safety of our still-standing and warm homes, but the people actually experiencing this horror:
Ragheb al-Rubaiya, a 63-year-old Palestinian from north Gazas Jabalia Camp, said to AFP that he had been driven from his home after bombing started from the air and the tanks, and they drove us out against our will.
Theyre destroying everything in Jabalia, and the goal is clear even to the blind: to wipe out the north and cut it off from Gaza, he added.
Theyre destroying everything in Jabalia, and the goal is clear even to the blind: to wipe out the north and cut it off from Gaza, he added.
Destroying everything is how you prevent people from returning. Nothing to return to. Unlivable.
Starving - no food aid for 40 days - terror and denial of medical care are ways to "incentivize" the cleansing.
It's all part of the continuum of the genocide.
I can't see how it could be defended or denied but that's just me.
In parting, let me respond to this. You wrote:
No matter how much you want it to be.
That's the end of our discussion.
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Report from Gaza: Palestinians Feel They Are Being "Slowly Exterminated" in Israel's Genocide [View all]
al bupp
Nov 2024
OP
Russia is backing them too, but Israel's not bombing Russian bases left and right in Syria
ck4829
Nov 2024
#4
Blocking the aid trucks is the worst thing happening at the point.. Using food as a tool
riversedge
Nov 2024
#3
I really wonder if the AP protestors who sat out the election are happy about their decision?
Initech
Nov 2024
#8
So, now the response to any post that mentions the plight of Gaza or Palestinians
al bupp
Nov 2024
#16
Actually, it seems like kind of a dose of harsh reality to me. The chickens have come home to roost.
Oopsie Daisy
Nov 2024
#25
What's been happening in Gaza and the West Bank now has nothing to do the voting patterns of AP
al bupp
Nov 2024
#55
I hear that you're more concerned with the epithets being given to the President
al bupp
Nov 2024
#59
Sort of like Israel after Oct 7th? Revenge, retribution, total destruction, mass deaths?
AloeVera
Nov 2024
#88
What you heard is a huge crash of the only possible bridge for those folks has been blown up by
TheKentuckian
Nov 2024
#68
It amazes me that it has been said. It amazes me more that it has been said hundreds of times.
Beastly Boy
Nov 2024
#92
Apparently every war where a lot of civilians die is "genocide" , so every war i guess?
EX500rider
Nov 2024
#116
It's 43,000 dead 102,000 wounded and 1.9M people displaced according to the UN
Johnny2X2X
Nov 2024
#24
Yes? I mean, that's exactly what WW1, WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, and even the Civil War entailed.
Hellbound Hellhound
Nov 2024
#108
When has Israel (the govt, not some looney Minister) said they going to annex & resettle Gaza?
EX500rider
Nov 2024
#130
It is the job of thinking people, not to be on the side of the executioners. Albert Camus
Ping Tung
Nov 2024
#11
OK, I'll be the DUer who cares more about Gazans than Hamas. That's not a real high bar.
maxsolomon
Nov 2024
#40
"and ethnic cleansing" Still don't see how it is "ethnic cleansing" when the Gazan's are all still in Gaza..
EX500rider
Nov 2024
#148
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command". - Orwell
AloeVera
Nov 2024
#149
"It is the expulsion of a population from a given territory." Yes & the Gazan's are all still in Gaza
EX500rider
Nov 2024
#156
I made nothing up. The definition is there in its entirety, followed by a clarifying addendum.
Beastly Boy
Nov 2024
#150
Sinwar thought it would pry Israel's allies away and kill any peace process with Arab nations.
maxsolomon
Nov 2024
#43
We're going to have to live with the consequences of the choices of our elected government, and they do too. nt
LexVegas
Nov 2024
#23
'Palestinians in Gaza feel that "they are living through their own annihilation..."'
J_William_Ryan
Nov 2024
#79
Its going to escalate thats to all those that decided they would vote for Trump, Stein or
Historic NY
Nov 2024
#84
Most of the "Pro-palestinian" crowd are just Anti-Democrat and Democracy and have been from the start.
Hellbound Hellhound
Nov 2024
#110