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ancianita

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10. It's still a win-win. The new provinces add to Canada's wealth & GDP, while all the respective populations stay put--

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Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:28 AM

Nov 2024

where their jobs are -- and there's freedom of movement. Lots of Canadians and Americans go back and forth daily as it is. More win-win, as Canada assumes the financial capital of the world, New York, with all it's global fintech; free flow of goods, education, health and human services, with a lot of added law enforcement; and Washington DC's chased out judicial, national security, and geopolitical expertise; with no oppression from the bomb threatening kleptocracy to the south.

Benefits that make it a great idea, really, no matter the objections. Why? Because things happen when nations decide they happen.

Don't think it can't happen just because it hasn't happened yet. We've been making that very mistake with the trumputin criminal syndicates for years.

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Four States Could Secede From US and Join Canada to Avoid Trump--Democrat [View all] YoshidaYui Nov 2024 OP

That's not going to happen JI7 Nov 2024 #1

NO, of course not, it will be YoshidaYui Nov 2024 #2

That's not going to happen either. GP6971 Nov 2024 #5

probably not. quakerboy Nov 2024 #18

Won't happen, but it would be a dream! Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #13

And a great dream it is! Thanks! ancianita Nov 2024 #21

Ooooh! I like that! Dem2theMax Nov 2024 #28

.The only issue is that Canadians might feel overwhelmed. lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #29

Nah, you wouldn't have to learn French. Disaffected Nov 2024 #42

Exactly. And no hordes will move into Canada's provinces; they just stay where they are within the Canadian border. ancianita Nov 2024 #49

You are so wrong. arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #76

OK, I'll bite. Disaffected Nov 2024 #89

Canada is an English speaking country, only one of our 10 arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #91

Fine but I still don't understand what I am Disaffected Nov 2024 #92

Well that's your experience. r�is�n_dubh Dec 2024 #119

It would be a new province, not part of Quebec... brush Nov 2024 #108

Sure, Quebec would remain Quebec (at least for a while). Disaffected Nov 2024 #114

The matter is one of American imaginings. Canada would have to decide on it. brush Dec 2024 #118

Wow, you do not know Canada, sad. arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #75

California could readily survive as an independent country Metaphorical Dec 2024 #129

I like the way the Great Lakes look locked up and safe that way. NBachers Nov 2024 #39

If MN,WI,IL and MI leave the union it's a near lock. roamer65 Nov 2024 #100

This!👆👆👆 bamagal62 Nov 2024 #104

I see a face in profile, on the West coast. calimary Nov 2024 #64

USONA usonian Nov 2024 #65

Oregon ...... Lets go canada !!!!!! Trueblue1968 Nov 2024 #95

I would love it. OnionPatch Nov 2024 #116

Why not both? nt Disaffected Nov 2024 #37

Yes !!!!!!!! Washington Stargazer99 Nov 2024 #81

A Canadian friend of mine said he felt the US and Canada should unite and split again only East and West with a ... marble falls Nov 2024 #97

Or Mexico! JoseBalow Nov 2024 #109

Just in time for a new right-wing Canadian Prime Minister Polybius Dec 2024 #125

"Four States Could Secede From US..." J_William_Ryan Nov 2024 #3

The constitution doesn't mention secession soandso Nov 2024 #9

It could happen without a war, but it would mean abandoning the Constitution. But Jesusland would abandon happily Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #14

So, if Trump abandons the constitution, bamagal62 Nov 2024 #105

Good thought and good point. brush Nov 2024 #111

Yes, because it's a compact between the states. roamer65 Dec 2024 #131

Civil War and the dissolution of the country quakerboy Nov 2024 #20

Yeah, I doubt the Canadian populace would go for it Disaffected Nov 2024 #43

Maybe we could become part of the EU. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2024 #60

Would Canada want the RW extremists in rural NY and PA? wnylib Nov 2024 #70

Would Canada even want the "liberals" of urban NYC or San Francisco? quakerboy Nov 2024 #73

We would have no problem with them. arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #77

YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A BAD THING... being a Liberal YoshidaYui Nov 2024 #90

quite the opposite quakerboy Dec 2024 #122

Personally, No. But all others I have no problem. arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #78

Eastern Oregon Mme. Defarge Nov 2024 #103

Then call it a trade agreement. ancianita Nov 2024 #50

To paraquote someone Polybius Dec 2024 #126

I thought ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #4

you think meal team 6 is going to want to take us on? fight to keep us? lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #31

Meal Team 6 no. The actual Seal Team Six, yes DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2024 #55

I think Red states and the Rederal Government would want to let Blue states go Polybius Dec 2024 #127

The US Military ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #59

you think that if there is a divorce... that the red states lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #63

No, you ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #68

so in the last civil war, the entire military fought on one side? lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #71

You know what? ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #85

Shockingly, things have changed considerably in the last 150+ years DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2024 #96

trump has said he would suspend the Constitution... brush Nov 2024 #113

Well then ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #115

A dictator with total immunity for official acts from the corrupt SCOTUS 6... brush Dec 2024 #117

I would be ok with it Meowmee Nov 2024 #6

States can secede thinkingagain Nov 2024 #7

He could use the money to buy Greenland, which he's always wanted. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #15

Trump would love to have 49 states DENVERPOPS Nov 2024 #26

No way Canada would allow that dsc Nov 2024 #8

It's still a win-win. The new provinces add to Canada's wealth & GDP, while all the respective populations stay put-- ancianita Nov 2024 #10

Secession intelpug Nov 2024 #61

Not only this... roamer65 Nov 2024 #99

Remember, as well, ancianita Dec 2024 #121

It's more like 40 million, about the same as California. We'd love it, especially if we got Hawaii in the bargain! Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #17

California is one of the richest countries in the world. Dem2theMax Nov 2024 #30

This is dumb. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #11

We are "succeeding". Magas are seceding. I'll stick with succeeding. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #19

Thank you. ancianita Nov 2024 #44

No one is succeeding. Exactly. dchill Nov 2024 #33

People would lose their Social Security etc Omaha Steve Nov 2024 #12

New York would work that out. Instead of sending its wealth to Soc Security recipients of hard red states. ancianita Nov 2024 #16

got news for you... lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #35

JUST THE IDEA of East-West secession would either shake trump into dictator mode or make him treat those states ancianita Nov 2024 #22

Red state economy would collapse. Illegal oasis Nov 2024 #23

build a wall! build a wall! lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #36

Hey, wait a minute!!! bamagal62 Nov 2024 #106

Small problem, there's no provision in the Constitution for a state to unilaterally secede. CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #24

we don't need no stinkin constitution! lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #41

That's exactly the idea -- TALK ABOUT IT. Let's call it something else, like forming an alliance. ancianita Nov 2024 #46

I think the Constitution prohibits individual states from doing that Kaleva Nov 2024 #51

Okay, quote the Constitution. One thing the Constitution does not prohibit is the free speech in expressing the IDEA. ancianita Nov 2024 #56

And people are free to say the idea is foolish and won't go anywhere. Kaleva Nov 2024 #58

That's going to be useless if some Trump-like Tory from Alberta becomes PM. Crowman2009 Nov 2024 #25

True DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2024 #57

That would likely be a self defining answer quakerboy Nov 2024 #74

And that would be fantastic. arthritisR_US Nov 2024 #79

Secession doesnt sound any less dumb when its our side proposing it. Asa13 Nov 2024 #27

Texas has done it for racist reasons. We're doing it for economic and political self defense. Big difference. ancianita Nov 2024 #53

Lol so you think they said we want to secede cause we're racist Asa13 Nov 2024 #62

Doubt Canada or the UK would say Okay IbogaProject Nov 2024 #32

Tied in tradition only. Disaffected Nov 2024 #45

That's assuming canetoad Nov 2024 #34

Yeah..There's that pesky war from 1776. LeftInTX Nov 2024 #112

What's this fascination with joining Canada? Retrograde Nov 2024 #38

Why not Rhode Island? displacedvermoter Nov 2024 #82

Ask the OP Retrograde Nov 2024 #94

Liz Krueger is my senator choie Nov 2024 #40

If she thinks Trump poses a serious threat, why doesn't she put forth serious proposals? Kaleva Nov 2024 #54

Screw all y'all SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #47

Pigs could fly. onenote Nov 2024 #48

It's been tried. Didn't end well. Iggo Nov 2024 #52

It would give Trump the excuse to use the military domestically. DJ Synikus Makisimus Nov 2024 #66

She should focus that extra energy on helping Democracts gain more seats at the State level of government. cstanleytech Nov 2024 #67

No. This will not happen. We are not as dumb as trumpsters. C Moon Nov 2024 #69

Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2024 #72

Trump Tower in Canada. no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #80

Harris won NY by fewer than 12 points FBaggins Nov 2024 #83

Secession is treason. It won't happen. The public comradebillyboy Nov 2024 #84

This is (kinda) my dream. intheflow Nov 2024 #86

It's going to be a bunch of blue cities surrounded by red LoveSucky Nov 2024 #87

If you read the Canadian sub-reddits, most people can't afford to live there Fish700 Nov 2024 #88

Why is it when MAGAts mention secession we all laugh? But when Democrats suggest it, its possible? No its not. Runningdawg Nov 2024 #93

What have I been saying? roamer65 Nov 2024 #98

Why would Canada agree? bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #101

Add the three west coast states plus Nevada and I'm in... brush Nov 2024 #102

To all those opposed to secession Blaukraut Nov 2024 #107

They have no solution except to say maybe in the next election etc. things will get better Meowmee Dec 2024 #120

And DU makes fun of Texas LeftInTX Nov 2024 #110

Why Canada? Polybius Dec 2024 #123

And I might be a Chinese jet pilot. Fish700 Dec 2024 #124

As if Canada would have us.... Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #128

Another point of view Cirsium Dec 2024 #130